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post #1 of 9 Old 04-04-2018, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Replace Uconnect 7 with 8.4NAV

I posted this on the allpar forums, and I'm cross posting here to see if anyone has suggestions. I was unable to order the 8.4NAV with a manual transmission. So I had to get the 7" infotainment system. I'd like to replace it with the bigger screen that has NAV and HD radio (UAQ). I talked to a few dealers and their service manager said it couldn't be done. Over the years working with other vehicles I've come to find dealers either play dumb and don't want to offer it, or legitimately don't know how. I'm hoping if I can get a solid answer on if it's possible or how to do it I'll have more success at the dealership. I know I have to buy a new bezel to fit the new screen, but can I just get a new one directly from mopar and it just work? If it needs flashed, what is the process? If I get one from a junkyard I assume it would at least be VIN locked. Also I reached out to Infotainment.com and they said they don't support the new vehicles with Fiat wiring yet. All of the research I've seen so far is for older vehicles and not specific to the compass. Also most part sites don't show the 2018 parts yet (maybe why nobody has done it yet?) Here are the part numbers if anyone is interested:

68283240AD Compass. 8.4 inch display, with navigation

5UT63DX8AB Center Bezel 8.4 INCH DISPLAY, PIANO BLACK ACCENT
5UT63JXPAB Center Bezel 8.4 inch display, BLACK ACCENT
5UT63NCCAB Center Bezel 8.4 INCH DISPLAY, GUN METAL ACCENT

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As far as I have seen on this forum nobody has stepped forward to be the pioneer to see this swap through to the finish line, a lot of talk but nobody has found a dealership willing to work with them on the tricky parts such as getting an 8.4 unit with the right VIN and options encoded into it (some claim they can't and maybe its true). I don't know about the 7" unit but the 8.4 contains all manner of climate control and user preferences, settings for this and that, controls for heated seats if you have them, and the NAV unit has SXM Guardian capabilities for which you need to add to your list a replacement rear-view mirror with the buttons and don't forget you probably need a different antenna and possibly wiring for that as well. Its going to be very difficult to accomplish and you are talking about the newest vehicles out there with the latest version of the uconnect system, very little information exists, very little time has been spent reverse engineering it, very few people even want to try once they find out what they are up against.

There are many posts in this forum like yours of people looking for info, they get some and learn about the difficulties they face, then their threads go dark and quiet.

If I didn't already have an 8.4 radio, and I was determined, my first step would be to make friends with the dealer service department guys and find out exactly what is and isn't possible for them. Because of VIN locking I don't think there is any way you can possibly do the swap without the help of a dealership, you are dead in the water right there until you have them on board if the radios are truly locked to their VIN.

First off, realize they have nothing to gain from helping you out. Its not a money-making opportunity for them. The entire service shop's only job is to turn those people's time into money, by doing oil changes and brake/tire service and writing up service orders. Probably FCA has provided no upgrade path on these radios, the corporate attitude is likely that they come with what they come with. Therefor, the dealer has no information from FCA on how to upgrade a radio and no standard way to go about it, probably very little support from FCA is available to them at all. (Hopefully that information ends up being incorrect but starting with the most likely assumptions) Because of that, the service department is stuck in-between you and FCA in a no-win scenario. The hours you are asking them to put in to cludge their way through an unsupported radio upgrade make it a huge money loss for them right up front. My advice would then be to ask as little of them as possible. Plan to do the hard work and the trial and error on your own, or hire a local aftermarket stereo shop for that part.

Tell the dealer you just want to know if they can order you an 8.4 radio paired to your VIN, with all the fixings (bezels, rear-view mirror, wiring, antennas, etc) and that you will take it elsewhere and try to make it work, at your own risk. They are not going to want to be responsible for it when it all goes south. This is the point where you will find out if the dealer is even able to request a different radio than the VIN specifies from FCA for your car, so this will be the sticking point. It all depends on how these radios are designed. The service department is probably not going to know enough about the radios to say one way or another, but if they are willing to at least ask FCA for an 8.4 tied to your VIN and they don't say no (at FCA) then you've got a chance. If corporate refuses to send an 8.4 radio for your VIN, you might be screwed. Here again, it all depends on what the dealership can and can't do.

Some people theorize the dealer has some magic "scanner" in their hands which can "program" a radio for a given VIN. I have never seen any evidence of the existence of such a device. I think it is much more probable that the dealer's only option is to request a radio from FCA with the correct VIN already programmed into it. This is something you have to get to the bottom of to complete your quest. This is why you need to be on really good terms with the service department. You need to know what the dealership can and can't do. The thing is, there is a LOT they can't do. They like to pretend they have full control over your vehicle, when the truth is other than un-bolting and bolting things back on when it comes to the electronics they barely get enough information from FCA to do anything, and they don't like to admit that, so its going to be tough to get the truth out of them.

The service department will be in a tough spot. If it is, as I am guessing, that they have to ask for FCA to ship a radio with VIN pairing already complete they are going to probably have a hard time asking for the one you want. The abbreviated conversation there is going to be like;
DEALER: Hey, can you send an 8.4 radio for VIN# 123XYZ?
FCA: Our records indicated VIN# 123XYZ has 7 inch radio, we can gladly send you a 7 inch radio for that.
DEALER: No, want the 8.4 radio.
FCA: Records show 7 inch for that vehicle...
OUTCOME: ???????????

All you can do is try and see if you can get that far. You have a wiring nightmare ahead of you probably after that but first someone has to see what the extent of VIN locking is on Uconnect systems and answer the question "Can you get one paired to a VIN that is different than what the car came with?"

If the answer is yes, you can move forward one step.

Researching in the renegade forums might be worthwhile since they are very similar but have been out a couple years longer. Be aware they have an older version of the Uconnect but the base technology and corresponding capabilities are probably still the same.

Best of luck, would be nice if one of these threads didn't go totally silent for once and have someone actually figure it out.
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I was a little curious about this as well. I wonder if the JeepCares team that spends some time on this forum could check with the Gods that be to find out if this switch is even possible?
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So I actually already have a written agreement with a dealership to attempt to do any programming for the radio. But I want to go in there with my ducks in a row because I don't have unlimited free trips to have them try this or that.

I'm not sure the radio's come from the factory VIN locked. I'm familiar with how it works on the general motors side. GM even lets you use their software programing tools for a reasonable fee! In fact I can VIN unlock a radio and give it to a new person, and when they install it, it will marry itself to that vehicle's VIN. Now if you go the junkyard route for a radio that's where VIN relearning comes in, but I'm hoping that isn't the case with a factory direct mopar one. This seems to be what places like infotainment.com and oemprime.com do.

As far as wiring is concerned. I imagine that will be all plug and play as well. I haven't pulled out my 7" yet, but the vehicle already has XM and GPS antenna input. It already has all the climate controls. All the other connectors should be the same. The 8.4NAV is an available option on the 2018 compass. Jeep just doesn't let you order it with a manual transmission. The typical programming that needs done to a vehicle is to program the BCM computer to say you have this part and/or to configure it to use the appropriate speaker option.

I've been lurking in the renegade forums as well. Like you said, sometimes there is a post, but leads to a dead end.

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Update for anyone following this thread. It looks like infotainment is taking pre-orders for upgrading to the 8.4 NAV.

https://www.infotainment.com/collect...4c-nav-upgrade
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Crazy expensive! And based on the process as outlined by this helpful guy here for the Wrangler, a huge PITA as well!

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I didn't get a chance to watch the video yet. But it is only $300 more than the factory option. But in my case, Jeep won't let you order the NAV unit with a manual transmission for some reason. So this is one of only a few avenues to upgrade.
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I'm guessing the 8.4" may use a faster processor or something as well. All of the reviews of UConnect for the Compass I watched were of the 8.4 and they all said it was fast with no lag. The 7" is so slow at times. That and always having the bottom buttons available while using Android Auto/Carplay almost would make it worth it to me (also have 6MT, so no way to get it from the factory).
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I'm guessing the 8.4" may use a faster processor or something as well. All of the reviews of UConnect for the Compass I watched were of the 8.4 and they all said it was fast with no lag. The 7" is so slow at times.
Seems doubtful to me, my 8.4 in our Compass is extremely slow and laggy regarding input and screen refresh after giving input. I don't know what they screwed up, because the 8.4 works good in OTHER FCA/Chrysler vehicles (Have personal experience with a 2017 Dodge Ram and a 2018 Chrysler 300, both have an 8.4 that works way better than mine) but it seems whatever hack-and-slash they did on the copy paste of code for the Compass resulted in performance issues that no engineer ever got put on the hook to fix.
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