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post #121 of 148 Old 04-29-2019, 06:05 PM
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My 2018 Compass is "burning" oil at a rate of 1 quart for every 750 miles. So around the 4000 mile point between oil changes, I will see the "low oil pressure" warning light, and immediately afterward the engine shuts down....while I am driving!!! According to the dealership, this consuming of oil at a rate of 2 quarts every 1500 miles is totally normal and right in line with Crystler's guidelines. Even though there is a 2018 Jeep Compass recall due to a leak somewhere in the oil system, causing all of the oil to leak out and the engine to stall. They say that recall is VIN specific and applies only to a handful of cars. And the only logical explanation is that my car just burns up an entire 6 quarts of oil every couple of months. I called Crystler to confirm this and they can't tell me anything at all about the specs of my vehicle. They simply said that I should listen to the dealership. I cannot imagine that something this unsafe would have been purposeful.
If you are seeing low oil pressure light, it means the engine is running dry. Getting that repeatedly means you actually damaged the engine and due to the damage, it will most likely continue to burn oil unless it is rebuild. All this could have been avoided if you checked the oil and maintained it level.
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I cannot imagine that something this unsafe would have been purposeful.
This is what happens when the government mandates something and consumers demand something else. The CAFE standards and the hunger of consumers for SUVs are not compatible. Consequently FCA engineers designed the Compass engine to maximize fuel efficiency and performance -- considering neither safety nor longevity as equal priorities.
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I;n having the same issue. Mine is in the shop now. The service tech told me they are having issues and in some cases they have to replace the engine. Mine only has 27,000 mines on it. Really?? Why were we not told when they sold the car to me?
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Welcome, Gigi62! Glad you found us. Sorry about the problem with your Compass. How bad is it? What exactly happened?

A local radio station had an automotive guest on today and he suggested switching from 0w-20 to 5w-20. Others on here say that will screw up the lubrication system, but to me that difference is so slight it shouldn't matter. The first time I discovered my oil was down significantly I added a quart of 5w-30 because it was all I had. I figured it was better than nothing. Now I carry a quart of 0-20 with me.

At first I was running 1200/quart. Now that I'm at 35,000 miles I'm getting about 3000/qt., so its using much less than when brand new.

PS I'm glad your dealer is taking you seriously. Some will just blow it off as "normal."
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Update. I've been 3000 miles since my most recent oil change (36,000 miles total) and I'm barely down 1/2 quart. This is the best yet! Maybe I'll make it to my next oil change without adding any.
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Well I called and spoke to one of the salesman and asked about a light. He told me I need to check the oil life percentage through the vehicle settings and when it gets 25% to make an appt for oil change. Told me not to wait until a light comes on because it is way low and can do damage by that point. Also said to carry some synthetic oil in the car and check it every 3 weeks..or every 1000mi. Said oil change should be at about 6,000 miles. He also said the 4liter engines are known to go through oil. He was very matter of fact about it. Wish that was something they would have disclosed. Have to carry oil around like in the old days and be on top of it. I'll have to give up manicures for the oil.

Maybe there are not a high amount of owners/leases that experience that problem but That said, I guess I am one of the unfortunate ones to get one as well as Mikeexelby. Frustrating.

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Our dealership has been monitoring our 2018 Jeep Compass Trailhawk's oil consumption for 7 months now, and have just confirmed they have ordered a new engine. We are hopeful that this will fix the problem. Anyone else out there had the engine replaced? If so, did it solve the problem? Our's has been going through 750 ml to 1 l of oil every 1000 km.
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As a former GM tech of 25 years and possessing MASTER ASE certs, I tell you oil consumption should NOT be high. I don't care what the dealer says. There are MANY Compasses out there that do not use oil or VERY little. The engine has a mechanical problem. If it's under warranty, TAKE IT BACK! They will lose if you take them to court. The warranty contract binds them legally. I have seen this MANY times (I have been in the automotive business for 46 years). Anyone that needs help please contact me. I can help you navigate the dealer system. Also in the back of your owners manual, you will find a 800 number to complain to the manufacturer. When you tell them you are going to place your complaints online, you will get their attention. NO manufacturer wants negative publicity all over the internet. It hurts their sales and ruins their image. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Hope this helps.
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My family has had many Jeeps over the years and we’ve been pretty happy with them until now. In April of this year, while driving my 2018 Jeep Compass, the car just stopped and shut down right as I was getting on the highway. SCARY!! Had to be towed to the dealership. After having my Jeep for almost 7 weeks the service advisor tells me that I’m using the wrong gas (Costco) and that the problem is my fault. Also tells me I’m down 2 quarts of oil since they changed it 2500 miles ago. I have less than 8000 miles on this thing in 16 months-not hard use by any means. Service doesn’t mention the fact that others are experiencing the exact same issue, nor do they advise me to carry oil in the car or that the compass may in fact need more frequent oil changes. I’m naive I guess-just following the manual. Best of all they tell me that I’ll have to pay for a diagnostic visit and any repairs necessary due to the “bad gas”. Any vehicle that just flat out shuts down wherever it is is a safety hazard and should not be on the road. I do not feel safe or comfortable driving this car anymore and will research my lemon law options based on the fact that my car has been in for repair for more than 30 days. Sadly, Jeep’s aren’t what the used to be.
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My family has had many Jeeps over the years and weíve been pretty happy with them until now. In April of this year, while driving my 2018 Jeep Compass, the car just stopped and shut down right as I was getting on the highway. SCARY!! Had to be towed to the dealership. After having my Jeep for almost 7 weeks the service advisor tells me that Iím using the wrong gas (Costco) and that the problem is my fault. Also tells me Iím down 2 quarts of oil since they changed it 2500 miles ago. I have less than 8000 miles on this thing in 16 months-not hard use by any means. Service doesnít mention the fact that others are experiencing the exact same issue, nor do they advise me to carry oil in the car or that the compass may in fact need more frequent oil changes. Iím naive I guess-just following the manual. Best of all they tell me that Iíll have to pay for a diagnostic visit and any repairs necessary due to the ďbad gasĒ. Any vehicle that just flat out shuts down wherever it is is a safety hazard and should not be on the road. I do not feel safe or comfortable driving this car anymore and will research my lemon law options based on the fact that my car has been in for repair for more than 30 days. Sadly, Jeepís arenít what the used to be.
When I bought mine my dealer told me to keep an eye on the oil because "these new engines use a lot." Well, of course new engines use some oil at first, but these use A LOT! I'm at 40,000 miles now and my oil consumption has dropped considerably, but I still can't make it between oil changes without adding a quart.

I don't think you need to change your oil more frequently, only add some as needed. Now I carry a quart with me -- something I haven't done since I drove a 1960 Ford back in high school.

Agreed, the car just dropping dead because the oil is low is ridiculous. We all realize the shutdown is to protect the engine, but what about the occupants? A vehicle just shutting down anytime anywhere is dangerous. It could happen in a blizzard in the mountains, it could happen making a left turn in a dangerous intersection, or who knows where else. A dashboard warning should come on when its down a quart, then the driver knows to add some. If the driver ignores the warning and the engine loses a second quart then it could shut down and it would be the driver's fault for not responding to the warning.

Most people don't realize that these new engines use as much oil as they do, and some seem to use more than others. Mine is barely acceptable, but I suppose I can buy a couple dozen quarts of oil over the life of the vehicle. Still, had I realized the oil problem I probably wouldn't have bought it. I'd had a great Patriot before this Compass and there were used Patriots on their lot for about the same price as the Compass (after rebates). Seems odd that I wish I'd bought a comparable used vehicle rather than a new one for even money.

The one thing I appreciate about the Compass is the fuel economy and that is probably owed to the reason behind the oil consumption. Its a trade-off: what I save on gas will probably compensate me for the additional oil I need to buy.
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So far I have 2,000 miles on my Compass, I checked the oil around 800 miles and it was down about 1/3 quart. So far it has not dropped any more. I did buy a few quarts of oil to keep on hand after reading this thread, but so far I have not added any.

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I have 2018 Jeep Compass with 3500 miles on it andhas used over 3 quarts of oil. Going in for service for stalling and the service advised told me the oil maybe the proble. We will see.
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I have 2018 Jeep Compass with 3500 miles on it andhas used over 3 quarts of oil. Going in for service for stalling and the service advised told me the oil maybe the proble. We will see.
Yours seems similar to mine or maybe a tad worse. For the first 20,000 miles I was adding a quart every 1500 miles. Now I'm getting about double that, i.e. 3000/quart. Apparently this is a problem with other recently designed engines regardless of the manufacturer. I've heard (on this site, maybe back a ways in this thread) that some Fords are only getting 500/quart.

Local radio auto talk show suggested moving up to thicker oil, like 5w-20. Others on this site nixed that idea saying it will cause problems and void the warranty. The first time I noticed my oil was down (2 quarts) I added some 5w-30 cuz it was all I had and I figured it was better than running it so low on oil. I had no problems, but now I carry a couple quarts of 0w-20 in the trunk. I've added 2 quarts since my last oil change and when it gets down a quart again it will be time for my oil change anyway.
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Yeah this seems to be an unfortunate outcome of designing engines with extreme fuel efficiency goals. The easiest way of doing this is reducing the internal friction of the engine. Doing so requires one to built an engine with relatively loose piston rings. As a result, margin of error between manufacturing an engine that doesnít consume oil and one that consumes some oil is very narrow. Couple that with an oil that can spread very thin and you will get engines with varying degrees of oil consumption. I assume why it eventually slows down is because of the carbon buildup within the pistons that gradually tightens the gap. Since manufacturers also consider this carbon buildup while designing the engine, early on the engines are particularly loose. Tigershark engine actually takes the ďreduce internal frictionĒ stuff to an even higher level by using hydraulic lifters that use engine oil as the hydraulic fluid. As the upper and lower components of the engine are not linked mechanically, there is even less internal friction. But I believe this is why using different grade oil can cause problems.

One thing that is strange about FCA though is they designed the engine to have a relatively small oil pan. Many German cars also consume oil but they have ridiculously large oil pans (like a 2.0L engine with 8qt oil capacity, where the low and high marks for the engine can span ~ 3qts). As a result, even if the engine consumes oil, it is unlikely that it can consume enough oil to go below the low mark with regular oil changes.


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Just to add to the discussion, was recently shown "FCA Service Bulletin 09-007-18 Rev. A" (08/18/1, and was pretty surprised to read:

OIL CONSUMPTION - The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles listed above is 1 quart (0.946 liter) in 2,000 miles (3,200 km.") The bulletin applies to all 2012 - 2019 FCA US LLC vehicles equipped with gasoline engines.

Later in the bulletin it goes on that with any so called "Aggressive Driving", the acceptable oil consumption rate even gets worse, with 1 quart per 500 miles! And it also adds that a "higher rate of oil consumption is normal for vehicles equipped with manual transmissions..." They further define aggressive driving as "operation at high RPM (3,000 RPM to redline), with frequent use of engine breaking" - pretty much the way you'd drive any vehicle with a manual transmission. So unless you drive like "a light toed Prius driver", those with the stick should be prepared to add a quart of oil at every gas fill up.

Just would like to mention that my former vehicle (2010 Honda CR-V) began to burn 0W20 oil at the same rate around 50,000 miles - but in Honda's case, the dealer replaced the piston rings as part of a TSB under warranty due to the "excessive oil consumption."

FCA on the other hand, just states this rate of oil use is normal.

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My 2018 Compass is "burning" oil at a rate of 1 quart for every 750 miles. So around the 4000 mile point between oil changes, I will see the "low oil pressure" warning light, and immediately afterward the engine shuts down....while I am driving!!! According to the dealership, this consuming of oil at a rate of 2 quarts every 1500 miles is totally normal and right in line with Crystler's guidelines. Even though there is a 2018 Jeep Compass recall due to a leak somewhere in the oil system, causing all of the oil to leak out and the engine to stall. They say that recall is VIN specific and applies only to a handful of cars. And the only logical explanation is that my car just burns up an entire 6 quarts of oil every couple of months. I called Crystler to confirm this and they can't tell me anything at all about the specs of my vehicle. They simply said that I should listen to the dealership. I cannot imagine that something this unsafe would have been purposeful.
If you are seeing low oil pressure light, it means the engine is running dry. Getting that repeatedly means you actually damaged the engine and due to the damage, it will most likely continue to burn oil unless it is rebuild. All this could have been avoided if you checked the oil and maintained it level.
I read online burning a Quart is normal. I've check my Compass and owing it for 3 years. Only had to add a total of two quarts. I do check under the hood every month. I work on cars and it doesn't hurt to check one a month. I check all the fluids and tire pressure. I know there are sensors for most, but it’s a good rule to check regardless. I always say if you love your Jeep, The Jeep will love you back. 😉
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One thing that is strange about FCA though is they designed the engine to have a relatively small oil pan. Many German cars also consume oil but they have ridiculously large oil pans (like a 2.0L engine with 8qt oil capacity, where the low and high marks for the engine can span ~ 3qts). As a result, even if the engine consumes oil, it is unlikely that it can consume enough oil to go below the low mark with regular oil changes.
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Last night I was washing our Compass and it was a nice night out. I was thinking about how we have a lot of road trips coming up in the next 30 days, at least 4000 miles worth, and I was on the fence about going for an oil change while it was nice out and I had the time. The dealership did the last oil change right around 24,000 miles. I checked the dipstick, it was 4/5 up on the hash marks which is how it usually comes from them. Looked plenty dirty, although looks aren't everything. I checked my log, that last oil change was March 14th. A bit over 3 months the oil had been sloshing around in there. Checked the odo, just a bit over 3700 miles on that oil. "Eh, close enough", I said.

I went ahead and slid the pan under and popped the plug. I instantly had no regrets about changing the oil so 'early', the oil was definitely plenty ugly looking. It reminded me how not only does more oil "burn" with light-tolerance piston rings but there is also increased rate of gasoline and combustion by-products contaminating the oil, reducing its effectiveness. Besides that, the boys at the dealership barely had the filter tightened on there but amazingly was not leaking. Spun a nice new filter on and added a carefully-measured 5.5 quarts of penzoil platinum, which after a minute of idling and 10 minutes shut off left the dip stick reading 4/5 of the hash marks. Done deal.

I'm encouraged by seeing the dipstick land at the same level I drained it out at. I'm sure the machine at the oil change bay at the dealership is reasonably accurate so it seems I really didn't go through any oil in those 3 months/3700 miles. Rounding the corner to 30,000 (will be within 30 days), maybe my engine has fully matured? Of course it doesn't seem like mine ever really went through much oil even early on. I don't know. It would be interesting sometime to send off a sample at an oil change and have it tested to see how much gas/moisture contamination is there.

I'm sure the oil I drained out would have been fine for many more miles if it needed to be but life is just simple and easy doing these 4k oil change increments. It works out great that it lands halfway between when the car asks me to take it to the dealer for a change, and I have a lot of peace of mind knowing how pristine the inside of my engine must be. In a few weeks we will be making a run from Minnesota to Washington state and back, about 3500 miles. It will be interesting to see if it uses any on that trek. I expect by the time we are partway home it will be asking for an oil change, since the computer still thinks the last oil change was back at 24k. That should work out well.
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Besides that, the boys at the dealership barely had the filter tightened on there but amazingly was not leaking.
I think that is not dealership not tightening it, I think, for some reason, the oil filter on compasses can get loose over time. Especially after major temperature changes. I also had the same thing happening to me, but in my case it actually started dripping oil. That is how I realized that the filter was loose. Tightened it by hand and it stopped.

I checked the renegade and cherokee forums, and some people with 2.4L also experience this. On my case, I believe it was due to the extreme temperature difference between the time I had my oil change vs. the day it started dripping. When I had my oil change, the ambient temperature was ~100F, when it started leaking, it was ~-5F. I think the thermal compression in cold weather caused a tight (when it was 100F) filter to get loose in -5F. The reason I think it is this is because it was only leaking when the engine was cold, after the engine heated up, it would stop leaking (since thermal expansion once again tightens the filter).

I dont remember if it was a cherokee or renegade owner, but one guy also experienced something like this after the shop tried to save time by changing oil without waiting for it too cool down. Since they put on the filter on a hot engine, it started to drip oil when engine cooled down overnight.

Now I occasionally check my filter to make sure it is tight. At least it is easy to reach it.
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Just to add to the discussion, was recently shown "FCA Service Bulletin 09-007-18 Rev. A" (08/18/1, and was pretty surprised to read:

OIL CONSUMPTION - The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles listed above is 1 quart (0.946 liter) in 2,000 miles (3,200 km.") The bulletin applies to all 2012 - 2019 FCA US LLC vehicles equipped with gasoline engines.

Later in the bulletin it goes on that with any so called "Aggressive Driving", the acceptable oil consumption rate even gets worse, with 1 quart per 500 miles! . . ."
". . . FCA on the other hand, just states this rate of oil use is normal.
If you set the bar low enough its not hard to make the standard.

@Tripod and @arudlang, regarding loose oil filters, whenever I've changed my filter I've just gone to snug then 1/4 turn more. I don't want to wrinkle the gasket which can happen if its too tight. I've never had a leaky filter, but a few times I was surprised how loose it was -- still, it wasn't leaking.
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I was thinking about how we have a lot of road trips coming up in the next 30 days, at least 4000 miles worth, and I was on the fence about going for an oil change while it was nice out and I had the time. It would be interesting sometime to send off a sample at an oil change and have it tested to see how much gas/moisture contamination is there.
We are also coming up on a 1,200 mile road trip and by then it should be time to change the oil. Our consumption seems to have slowed down from 1qt/2,500 miles to about 10oz/2,500miles (holding steady at 3/4 full). Hoping to not add any on this trip so I can send in a sample for testing. Along with gas/moisture results, the TBN should be really high on Pennzoil Platinum with only a 5K run Ö
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@Tripod and @arudlang, regarding loose oil filters, whenever I've changed my filter I've just gone to snug then 1/4 turn more. I don't want to wrinkle the gasket which can happen if its too tight. I've never had a leaky filter, but a few times I was surprised how loose it was -- still, it wasn't leaking.
I dont think you can over tighten an oil filter without using any tools. I have heard people doing it with a belt wrench, but doing it wilt hands alone would require serious strength .
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I dont think you can over tighten an oil filter without using any tools. I have heard people doing it with a belt wrench, but doing it wilt hands alone would require serious strength .
I'd never use a wrench to tighten an oil filter. Anything I tighten, I tighten lefty so I can get it off with my right.
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Do nitrile gloves count as a tool? I cranked my last one on pretty hard with two hands expecting the gloves to slip (had a little oil on them) but they gripped tight and before I knew it I was like "wow I really twisted that sucker on there, hope it will be ok ..."

I'll check it later. This one I will for sure get a chance to inspect for any "loosening" from hot/cold cycles because I am going to flip a new filter on right before we leave on the 3500 mile trip in about 30 days. I wouldn't normally but I had to settle for a mid-grade filter on the last oil change due to available stock so I just don't want to run that one very long. I have a premium+ one ready to go on-hand now.
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It wasn't me, but once I had a dealer tighten the filter so tight on my '77 Volare that I couldn't get it off. I ended up jamming a screwdriver through it and that gave me enough leverage to loosen it.
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It wasn't me, but once I had a dealer tighten the filter so tight on my '77 Volare that I couldn't get it off. I ended up jamming a screwdriver through it and that gave me enough leverage to loosen it.
Oofta. I did that once (to myself), oil filters did not loosen with heat/cool cycles on my old chevy blazer, they only cooked themselves on harder and harder, and if you put them on tight to start with... they don't come off. I tried the screwdriver stabby trick, but the cheap fram filter just tore all the way around like a pop can I won't use fram anymore, not even on my lawn mower.
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In a few weeks we will be making a run from Minnesota to Washington state and back, about 3500 miles. It will be interesting to see if it uses any on that trek. I expect by the time we are partway home it will be asking for an oil change, since the computer still thinks the last oil change was back at 24k. That should work out well.
We made it back from vacation last week. 1,165 miles round trip, that puts us at 9,065 miles on the OD. Oil level dropped very little and now measures 5/8 full instead of 3/4 full. It was a 9 hour trip from Louisiana to Florida along I-10 and managed 34mpg @ 70-75 and 30mpg @ 75-80mph on safer stretches, Iím really happy with these numbers.
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