Come on guys, you can't possibly be so naive and have such blatant disregard for safety? Let me put it in Chris' favorite style:
Nothing unsafe about it or the system would not let you even mute it above a certain speed but they do factor in that the person has reasonable driving skills. I assure you though the system even muted is still very active.
: Older vehicles with less or less-advanced safety technology are easily proven to be less safe than modern vehicles such as the Compass via crash tests and statistics.[/QUOTE]
Correct most of that has to do with increasing safty during a crash. But yes all the crazy systems do work and they work pretty well on most. I have little doubt they have helped new drivers and those I call passengers behind the wheel avoid accidents. But better more experienced drivers simply do not need these systems as much if at all. I infact think all this crap is a double edged sword. The more people rely on them the less likely they are to ever learn how to handle a situation where these systems are not working or not present. These driving skills are built up as you use them. For example it is one thing to read what to do in the event of a given skid condition and then to actually perform the necessary actions. We use to build these skills up as we drove usally bit by bit year after year to the point these things became instinct.
My son just recently started driving and a few week ago got his DL. You know what I have him driving and what he basically learned to drive on from the start. A 1994 Ford Ranger 4x4 manual transmission. None of the nanny stuff. First snow this coming winter we will out to a big empty parking lot and run though some winter driving stitutions so when he needs to use these skills on the road he will have them. Later if he gets something with all this electronic stuff he will still know how to actually drive should something happen that he needs to!
FACT: Just because you were lucky enough to not die or get injured in an older vehicle is anecdotal / not evidence / does not support the concept you are suggesting that your older vehicle is "as safe" to drive today as the Compass.
Face it luck becomes a factor no matter what your driving. But learning driving skills is a much greater factor than luck and is in fact evidence of how important learning these skills are.
As far as how safe my older vehicle is without ABS,ESC,TCC,and all this fancy crap well that is a factor of how good the driver is. Given the fact I have only been in a few minor fender benders and one nasty single vehicle accidents I say I have done very well. Only one fender bender was my fault and happened when I was a beginning driver and was getting gas. I didn't know I had stepped in oil and when I put my foot on the brake to shift to drive my foot slipped off the brake onto the gas as soon as the shift crossed reverse I almost got back under control and bumped the car right behind me. My more major accident was involving a deer that literally jumps out of the bushes over a ditch into the front corner locking up the passenger side front wheel. The greatest driver in the world with the most advanced driving systems in the world would still have been screwed!!!!!! All other accidents occured when I was not even moving. Parked or sitting at red lights or stop signs. Again nothing a driving aid would have prevented.
FACT: The modern computer controlled safety systems in the Compass can react so much faster than your organic human mind its not even funny, AND the system in the Compass has access to countermeasure options you do not, such as the option to brake one individual wheel for yaw correction.
True but you are talking still talking about a mostly reactive system. For the most part the system is in the business of trying to correct the vehicle. If you don't put the vehicle into trouble to start with it has little to do. But as good as the system is it still does not have ESP, it can't see the road ahead and see how steep or banked a curve is. It can't see that road conditions ahead have changed what the traffic is doing or if there is something right in front of it unless you have forward collision avoidance. These are all the things humans bring to the table if they know how to drive. And avoidance driving techniques are extremely reliable when properly mastered. No I can't brake a single wheel to tank steer the damn thing but I can turn the wheel and also apply proper brake or throttle to pull out of a skid and the end effect is the same.
And in muting the systems on the Compass it can and will still do all the stuff it does should the driver make a mistake and it senses the need to step in. To me even muted the system is still too invasive and wished it back off a bit more.
Utter nonsense! You cannot control or predict a deer bursting out onto the road in front of you, there is no element of preemptive control in many bad situations that happen on the roads every day. Say the deer jumps out, you instinctively swerve to avoid it but subsequently loose control of the vehicle's trajectory because you turned ESC off at the start of your drive, and you end up smashing into oncoming traffic and killing one or more occupants of the other vehicle because, sadly for them, they were driving an older car with less air bags and no crumple-zone engineering so despite doing nothing wrong they suffer the worst of the consequences of your extremely poor and selfish choices!
I have to ask have you muted your ESC and played around with your any at all Compass. And how did you ever survive driving without all this crap on a car or have you ever driven something without them? Could you swerve a vehicle without losing control of it without these systems? I can and have many many times!!!! You do know these systems can help regain control of a vehicle to a point but they still have their limits on what they can do right!
Again if FCA felt this system was imperative to not be muted they would have made it switch full on once you reached a given speed. But they know it was engineered to still be very active and able to help bring the Compass back on track if needed.
Seriously do find a nice quiet low traffic road and hit that ESC switch and learn how it feels and how the ESC is still working. It is not much different from using sport mode on other new systems.
I am personally extremely impressed by the ESC in the Compass, on icy roads or in hydroplaning situations it has done very well for me. There is no reason to give up an ounce of that protective measure on the whim that MAYBE some kind of wear can be avoided in some part of the drivetrain with ESC off. It is both irresponsible and illogical. I have a live-and-let-die attitude 99% of the time but my loved ones and myself don't have any choice about sharing the highways with other people such as yourselves, we have to go to work and grocery stores and all that good stuff so if you could pretty please not endanger us all over your mis-guided no-concrete-evidence unsupported-theory of driveline wear, that would be swell.
Yes it is an impressive system it works so well it still is incredibly effective IF YOU MUTE IT! But I have driven on icy roads in a 1974 Buick Riviera with a 455 putting out 505 ft pound to torque this as a teen without issue. Needless to say you learn how to drive with a beast like that in bad weather or you find a ditch fast!
Oh how do you ever feel safe walking out the door. Given the fact there are 18 wheelers loaded with tons and tons of weight that have none of this safety avoidance and ABS and ESC on them. Surely you will die instantly just looking in the rear veiw and seeing one behind you. Half the vehicles around you at any given time likely do not have all the junk on them. If your lucky only 2 or 3 don't have brakes that are working right. Think about that while your trying to sleep tonight! LOL