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I just turned over 16,000 miles on my Jeep Compass and truthfully, I am ready to drive this car off a cliff. This has to be the worst car I have ever had. First off, do not be fooled, this car is not a Jeep. It is a Fiat 500.

With numerous problems reported and documented, a Jeep Care Specialist was to meet me at my local dealer to go over the issues. Of course, the "Specialist" never showed.

Since taking delivery on this fake Jeep, a car I had high hopes for, I have experienced the following problems:

Fascia discoloration - the white fascia has a yellow/brown tint compared to the white body. This problem is on all new white Compass vehicles. If you own a white Compass, take a close look at the rear fascia to body trim line.
Oil Consumption - seriously, a quart every 1000 miles?
Electrical Issues - even after the dashboard bright light recall, the issue persists.
Transmission Lag
Liftgate water leak
Noisy, rattles in the interior.
Squealing brakes
3 windshields cracked by stones - this car is a stone magnet.
And, the car is way under powered.

Sadly, I have come to the conclusion this car is not a very well executed vehicle. FCA needs to seriously look at this car, perhaps listen to customers and find a way to fix the numerous problems.

So, the big question: How many of you Jeep Compass owners are dissatisfied with your Fake Jeep?
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Quite the opposite for me. It does have it's quirks and I do wish there was a more powerful power plant, but overall, I'm enjoying my Compass. I don't have oil burning issues, annoying rattles, water leaks, etc

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So, the big question: How many of you Jeep Compass owners are dissatisfied with your Fake Jeep?
I'm very disappointed at how close they came to building something truly great, and came up just short of the goal line. They just didn't see it through and I feel like it must have come down to money problems. I say that because somehow FCA is able to build other vehicles that work great 100%. It doesn't seem like they are totally incapable or incompetent in that regard, but some bean counter must've laid on the brakes when it was "good enough", and said "start selling it".

Generally speaking it drives pretty good but the little gremlins are absolutely maddening. This morning the passive entry would not work on the drivers side at two different stops, but then started working again for whatever reason.

The feckin alarm has embarrassed me I don't know how many times now. It was 10 below the other day and I started it up to go get some food, stopped in at the gas station that is 100 yards from my house so I am going to leave it running to keep warming up while I run in, I hop out and close the door, push the lock button while its still running like I've done hundreds of times before, and the instant I pressed the button... HOOOOONK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK with the lights show flashing and me standing there looking like an idiot. Try to open the door, won't open, fumble for the fob and mash buttons on it for a few more seconds before it finally unlocks and the alarm shuts off. What the hell??? It did that to me a couple of times, so lately when I go to press the lock button I have this pang of fear every time that its going to go bizerk again and embarrass me, again.

When loading or unloading my utility trailer, a lot of times there is a bit of jarring that goes along with that. Ramping a four wheeler or whatever up onto a trailer or off is not always perfectly smooth. Well, this jarring sets off the damn alarm too! Even if the doors are unlocked and the alarm is supposed to be disengaged!

You want to run into a store quick and leave the car running with the heat (because its winter in Minnesota and colder than hell here), and say your wife wants to wait in the car? You want to lock the door when you get out so that nobody can sneak up on her while shes playing on her phone waiting? Well, you better hope she doesn't decide to hop out after all when you take too long to come back, cuz you know its gonna be HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK HOOOONNK <lightshow> and there is nothing she can do because you are in the store with the fob. She is just standing there with a vehicle going bizerk.

Having to tell unexpected passengers "Oh hey, do NOT try to open that passenger side rear door, the latch is iced up and it won't close again if you open it." is fun. Yeah. In this cold weather, something icy has happened in that one door where it will open if you force it but then it WILL NOT LATCH when you close the door, it opens right back up. Drove to the dealer with a bungee strap holding it (mostly) closed and a few minutes in there shop it warmed up enough to latch, but park it outside again and it starts doing the same damn thing.

This is the heart of whats going to drive me to turn in this lease, I can't stand a car that is CONTINUALLY embarassing me and making me look like a moron. Another example:

The ESS is the WORST such designed system I have ever seen. Its too embarrassing to use. The car shuts down, and lots of times starts right back up before its even time to go, but whenever it does start back up (purposefully or prematurely) it doesn't do so smoothly at all. No, the frickin incandescent lights front and back dim and pulse with the cranking of the starter, the starter motor chatters louder than a diesel, it looks and sounds dumb and unpurposeful. It mostly appears like your car stalled and you are sheepishly re-starting it. I've had other brand cars with ESS that was so silent and smooth, no one inside the car or out had any clue the engine had been shut down. This ESS system sucks.

Another example: (This I need to setup a dash cam for sometime to show how continually annoying this is,) I put those shortcuts on the touchscreen for the heated wheel and seats, because we use those a LOT (again, winter in Minnesota). The only way to turn these things on or off is via the screen, no physical buttons. Comes on automatically in the winter, thats great, but turning them off ... I press the shortcut on the screen, it goes "off" for two seconds, THEN COMES RIGHT BACK ON. What the hell? I try again, sometimes three four five times before it finally stays off. What in the world? The touchscreen is slow and laggy all around, we know that too, but only the heated wheel and seats straight up reverts to being back ON when I press them. Everything else on the screen does what I ask on the first press (after a second or three of lag).

While we are on the screen, how about the crowd favorite of using the remote start (because its negative X degrees here) and going out to the car 10 minutes later to find, oh yeah, its been running sure, but the computer set it to LO MAX AC so its just sitting there blowing frigid air around. Stupid! This happens at least once every other week. I understand for some others its full HI instead of LO.

Trailer wiring had better be perfect, because if you have any sort of short whatsoever that somehow interferes with the vehicle lights/flashers, which I don't understand when they have a separate trailer light control module, but who is surprised when the rear fuse box with some of those things is all messed up and does not match the fuse location listing in the book?

A lot of the times the USB for Android Auto is ok, but sometimes the USB hub looses its mind and won't work anymore until the vehicle gets shut down for 5 or more minutes. Jumping back to infotainment related stuff, luckily this is more rare but I love it when the radio freezes up and can't change the volume and none of the steering wheel controls work.

The fun just never ends. Throw on being under-powered and really un-jeep-like when you get even a little bit stuck in some snow on the side of the road, and yes you end up being highly dissatisfied.
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Let's see. Where do I begin?

1. Alarms going off for no reason and doors won't lock when lock button is pushed. --Check
2. Automatic climate control losing its place, turning off when it wants to or coming back to HI or LO --Check
3. Instrument panel doesn't want to dim when it's dark outside --Check
4. Reverse camera always on brightest setting --check
5. Whining noise from the 4X4 system that occurred around 35-45 MPH --Check
6. Remote start that works only if you're close to the car --Check
7. U connect that becomes unresponsive and won't allow you to turn off/on your seat heater or steering wheel heater --Check

This is a good looking car with lots of nice features but you can only get by so much on looks. It has a nice 4x4 system that works well. It is expensive when compared to other vehicles in this class. $30K or more. Granted I've never had to deal with any catastrophic safety failure like what Scotty Kilmer mentioned; losing brakes and steering, engine failure etc. It was enough for me to get rid of it as soon as I could. I have never bought a brand new car and traded it in after only 4 months until now.
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This is where my base Compass shines...

Manual 4x2, good acceleration
Grey color, gray trim, everything fits together
Climate control, not on my car. Manual knobs
Remote start, not available on the manual.
No heated steering wheel or heated seats.

Cost.. under 20k and not 30k+

I grew up in Canada and live in New England so no stranger to the cold. Grab a good jacket and gloves and that works.

For the manual sport 4x2... There is very little that is competitive.

For the limited 4x4, the GMC Terrain SLT seems to be a good alternative. My wife's car is a Chevy and the OnStar system, remote start and app are way ahead of what FCA offers with the Sirius package. For those that want more power, the Terrain has a Denali option but boy does that get pricey quick.
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I will say mine is a POS. Blew the engine at 10,700 miles, had to have the tensioner and serpentine belt replaced, climate control issues, engine auto start/stop issues, loud humming noise around 40 mph, jerking shifting while accelerating, a few times I was unable to unlock the doors with the FOB in my pocket, panic alarm goes off by itself sometimes, the windshield is a rock magnet, the radio has blacked out and I was unable to turn the volume down, change channels or turn off the heated seat/steering wheel and my favorite, when turning off the heated seat I press it once, it goes to low then turns itself back to high and also turns on the heated steering wheel. I did the arbitration thing after the engine blew, the arbitrator used to work for DCA and I got a oh well you are screwed letter.

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I will say mine is a POS. Blew the engine at 10,700 miles, had to have the tensioner and serpentine belt replaced, climate control issues, engine auto start/stop issues, loud humming noise around 40 mph, jerking shifting while accelerating, a few times I was unable to unlock the doors with the FOB in my pocket, panic alarm goes off by itself sometimes, the windshield is a rock magnet, the radio has blacked out and I was unable to turn the volume down, change channels or turn off the heated seat/steering wheel and my favorite, when turning off the heated seat I press it once, it goes to low then turns itself back to high and also turns on the heated steering wheel. I did the arbitration thing after the engine blew, the arbitrator used to work for DCA and I got a oh well you are screwed letter.

Your Jeep is a carbon copy of mine. And I also received a "screw you" attitude from Jeep. With so much riding on the Jeep - it is a Global vehicle with around 300,000 units built a year across three plants, you would think Chrysler would take time to track and fix these problems. But, I believe FCA is only concerned with the sale and not service after the sale.

But, we have to keep in mind the Jeep Compass and Jeep Renegade are nothing more than Fiat 500 models with different skin. Fiat sold 751 Fiat 500s last quarter in the U.S. This low number just proves American buyers do not want Fiat crap.
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All the same problems my Jeep had with exception of paint and windshield.
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Mine has only had the oil consumption problem, and not as bad as some others have had. I'm getting about 2000/qt, which is admittedly poor, but I can cope with it. I've had seriously old cars (from the 1960s) that used some oil, but not quite as bad as this.

I wish it rode a little more comfortably. I think the suspension people read too many reviews written by desk-jockeys who want to "feel the road." As an outside rep that covers 30,000 miles/year, the last thing I want to feel is the road!

No other problems at all.

On the bright side, the fuel economy is excellent. I was getting 31.5 average over the summer; since winter with snow tires, long warm-ups, and winter blend fuel I'm getting about 29MPG. In 25,000 miles of ownership since May, EVIC says I've averaged 30.5MPG -- that includes summer and winter so far.
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I just turned over 16,000 miles on my Jeep Compass and truthfully, I am ready to drive this car off a cliff. This has to be the worst car I have ever had. First off, do not be fooled, this car is not a Jeep. It is a Fiat 500.

With numerous problems reported and documented, a Jeep Care Specialist was to meet me at my local dealer to go over the issues. Of course, the "Specialist" never showed.

Since taking delivery on this fake Jeep, a car I had high hopes for, I have experienced the following problems:

Fascia discoloration - the white fascia has a yellow/brown tint compared to the white body. This problem is on all new white Compass vehicles. If you own a white Compass, take a close look at the rear fascia to body trim line.
Oil Consumption - seriously, a quart every 1000 miles?
Electrical Issues - even after the dashboard bright light recall, the issue persists.
Transmission Lag
Liftgate water leak
Noisy, rattles in the interior.
Squealing brakes
3 windshields cracked by stones - this car is a stone magnet.
And, the car is way under powered.

Sadly, I have come to the conclusion this car is not a very well executed vehicle. FCA needs to seriously look at this car, perhaps listen to customers and find a way to fix the numerous problems.

So, the big question: How many of you Jeep Compass owners are dissatisfied with your Fake Jeep?
LMFAO. This guy is just LOOKING for things to complain about.

He calls the Compass a "stone magnet!" LOL!

As if some type of manufacturing defect is causing stones to be unusually attracted to the vehicle. What a clown.
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He calls the Compass a "stone magnet!" LOL!

As if some type of manufacturing defect is causing stones to be unusually attracted to the vehicle. What a clown.
To the contrary, I've noticed that the headlights on my Compass don't attract nearly as much road salt as the headlights on my Patriot. I'm guessing its because of the outside angled placement. After a day's driving in winter conditions I expected my headlights to be crusted over, but no, they hardly even needed a dusting.

He complains about the snow traction, but I've had my Compass out in some pretty nasty winter conditions and the only problem I've noticed is that when climbing a snowbank (to get to my RFD box) in AWD the front tires will spin and the rear tires do nothing. If I flip the knob over to 'snow' or 'mud' it crawls right through it. Even today I was on a hilly back road that was just about glare ice and my Compass handled it without a spin. I have studs, but it wasn't clawing, just driving quite normally.
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Completely lock out the ABS and you wouldnt have that problem

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To the contrary, I've noticed that the headlights on my Compass don't attract nearly as much road salt as the headlights on my Patriot. I'm guessing its because of the outside angled placement. After a day's driving in winter conditions I expected my headlights to be crusted over, but no, they hardly even needed a dusting.

He complains about the snow traction, but I've had my Compass out in some pretty nasty winter conditions and the only problem I've noticed is that when climbing a snowbank (to get to my RFD box) in AWD the front tires will spin and the rear tires do nothing. If I flip the knob over to 'snow' or 'mud' it crawls right through it. Even today I was on a hilly back road that was just about glare ice and my Compass handled it without a spin. I have studs, but it wasn't clawing, just driving quite normally.
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LMFAO. This guy is just LOOKING for things to complain about.

He calls the Compass a "stone magnet!" LOL!

As if some type of manufacturing defect is causing stones to be unusually attracted to the vehicle. What a clown.
How about I sign you in as a guest of mine at the Chrysler Tech Center and we can go down to the wind tunnel. You will see first hand how the air flow on the Compass is not ideal. Unless, of course, you are chicken.

Also, for your information, the thickens of the glass has been reduced by 1mm to save costs and weight. With a thinner windshield, rocks traveling in excess of 70MPH will cause cracks.

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To the contrary, I've noticed that the headlights on my Compass don't attract nearly as much road salt as the headlights on my Patriot. I'm guessing its because of the outside angled placement. After a day's driving in winter conditions I expected my headlights to be crusted over, but no, they hardly even needed a dusting.

He complains about the snow traction, but I've had my Compass out in some pretty nasty winter conditions and the only problem I've noticed is that when climbing a snowbank (to get to my RFD box) in AWD the front tires will spin and the rear tires do nothing. If I flip the knob over to 'snow' or 'mud' it crawls right through it. Even today I was on a hilly back road that was just about glare ice and my Compass handled it without a spin. I have studs, but it wasn't clawing, just driving quite normally.
Please read my post. I said the transmission has a lag. Or, for the simple minded, a delay engaging in to gear. Not once did I mention traction problems in the snow. The 4WD system on the Compass is fairly decent and handles Michigan snow quite well.
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I should mention mine is a Lattitude version. 6sp manual, 4x4, with heated seats and wheel, 7" radio with Android auto/apple carplay. Maybe the higher levels are where the issues come out? I've never had an alarm issue. Don't even know what mine sounds like! Never had a problem unlocking the doors, and I exclusively use the passive entry to lock/unlock mine. The radio can be laggy, I'll admit that, but it's never locked up or given me a black screen. I've never had an issue turning the heated seats on/off. Then again, I'm in FL, so they hardly get used. The hum I also have, but, from my understanding, it's not a defect. It's the PTU switching from 4wd to fwd, and it goes away in a minute or so. I can stand a slight hum for a minute on my commute if it gets me better MPGs.

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Please read my post. I said the transmission has a lag. Or, for the simple minded, a delay engaging in to gear. Not once did I mention traction problems in the snow. The 4WD system on the Compass is fairly decent and handles Michigan snow quite well.
So sorry. Arudlang made the comment about getting stuck in the snow.
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Arudlang made the comment about getting stuck in the snow.
Yeah, I did. I am displeased with the snow and ice traction of the stock continentals, but I begrudge them that they perform fairly well in regular wet and dry conditions with my only other complaint being the morning "square tire effect" for the first mile or so.

But the Jeeps AWD/4WD system is also not as impressive as I had hoped. This is one of those things were the bar is held higher just because it says "Jeep" on the front of it. If we were we talking about a Honda or maybe even a Subaru I'd say its great for what it is, but for a Jeep not having right-to-left torque vectoring or any option for a diff lock.. the electronic brake diff doesn't do it for me, or I should say it didn't do it for me when I was stuck on the side of the road last week.

We had gotten about 6 inches of snow in the span of 5 hours while working on a project up the road at my parent's house. My wife and I had arrived separately and she went home first in her little Honda Civic. A couple more inches of snow fell between when she left and when I headed for home. Roads not plowed yet, and also not driven by anyone else since my wife had been by in her car. While carefully making my way along at about 36 MPH, a fluff of snow blew up from the hood or bumper or somewhere and splattered across the windshield. Unable to see well, I obviously start slowing down and hit the wipers but it just smeared, by the time the windshield finally wiped clean a few swipes later I'm down to about 15 MPH and the front right tire falls off the shoulder of the pavement. Well, there was no bringing it back after that. As soon as that side dipped down I knew I was no longer completely on the road, and steered back for the road while continuing to drive forward but it would not climb back up. Having lost all momentum, it came to a stop. And there it sat.

I could drive a bit forwards and backwards on the shoulder there, with the driver's side basically still on the road. You think it would climb up out of the shoulder? Heck no.

Us Minnesotans are usually prepared, I shoveled out a good share of the shoulder and everything packed underneath. Could it drive out then? No, absolutely not. Tried with traction control, without, snow mode, mud mode, regular 4x4, and every combination in-between. It just could not and would not pull the passenger side back onto the pavement.

If anybody would have happened to pass by, it would at first appear that I had simply pulled over to take a call or something. I was not "out in the ditch", just straddling the shoulder. But it was no go.

So, I hooked my tow strap to the rear receiver and called the old man to get out of bed and come and give me a pull with the pickup.

Very few things piss me off as much as having to ask anybody anywhere for any assistance whatsoever. This Jeep was supposed to be our severe weather winter vehicle. The wife's Civic so far seems to handle winter a lot better. She has no remote start issues, no door latches freezing up, and somehow not getting stuck much despite rolling on stock low profile tires that are pretty much worn out with 50k miles on them.

I don't understand why the contis that come on this Jeep don't do better. Must be a very hard rubber compound, because the tread face has plenty of siping and channels for water and snow. These tires love to slide sideways though.

I know its asking a lot of the AWD to overcome bad tires and still perform good but there are AWD/4WD systems out there that ARE better at this, systems with dual clutches and the torque vectoring and so on. Those things don't come in at this price range, I realize, but all the logic and reason in the world can't soften the frustration of this vehicle not living up to and performing as desired in these wintery conditions. It feels like I'm getting nothing for the "Jeep" brand name, any all-wheel drive vehicle from a competitor is going to do just as good or better it seems because there is really nothing special about the system thats in this car.

Its just so irksome... what kind of "Four wheel drive Jeep" can't drive itself out of the shoulder of a road???
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So you went off the road and high sided your Jeep and now it's the Jeeps fault
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Its just so irksome... what kind of "Four wheel drive Jeep" can't drive itself out of the shoulder of a road???

In reality, and as I have said multiple times on this forum, this "Jeep" is not a real Jeep. The car is based off the Fiat 500 platform. The 500, 500X, 500L, Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass are all the same. The Compass was styled at the Chrysler Tech Center in Auburn Hills, Michigan. The engineering and design was completed in Italy. The Compass is built in Mexico for the NAFTA market.

You ask what kind of four wheel drive Jeep cannot drive itself out of the shoulder of a road - simply put, a Jeep poser cannot. Unlike the Cherokee, Grand Cherokee and Wrangler, which are real Jeeps, the Compass is nothing more than toy. I mean, think about it, The Jeep Compass Latitude model ships with Kumho or Yokohoma tires. These tires are worthless in bad weather.
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In reality, and as I have said multiple times on this forum, this "Jeep" is not a real Jeep. The car is based off the Fiat 500 platform. The 500, 500X, 500L, Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass are all the same. The Compass was styled at the Chrysler Tech Center in Auburn Hills, Michigan. The engineering and design was completed in Italy. The Compass is built in Mexico for the NAFTA market.

You ask what kind of four wheel drive Jeep cannot drive itself out of the shoulder of a road - simply put, a Jeep poser cannot. Unlike the Cherokee, Grand Cherokee and Wrangler, which are real Jeeps, the Compass is nothing more than toy. I mean, think about it, The Jeep Compass Latitude model ships with Kumho or Yokohoma tires. These tires are worthless in bad weather.
mine shipped with firestones

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This is where my base Compass shines...

Manual 4x2, good acceleration
Grey color, gray trim, everything fits together
Climate control, not on my car. Manual knobs
Remote start, not available on the manual.
No heated steering wheel or heated seats.

Cost.. under 20k and not 30k+

I grew up in Canada and live in New England so no stranger to the cold. Grab a good jacket and gloves and that works.

For the manual sport 4x2... There is very little that is competitive.

For the limited 4x4, the GMC Terrain SLT seems to be a good alternative. My wife's car is a Chevy and the OnStar system, remote start and app are way ahead of what FCA offers with the Sirius package. For those that want more power, the Terrain has a Denali option but boy does that get pricey quick.
I've also got the Sport AWD (I'd say 4x4 but it's really not so...) 6 spd manual. While I have had a few issues with the radio turning off by itself, this is not an every day thing(5 inch). Got my vehicle Oct 16/17 and honestly, am still very pleased with it. I live in Edmonton, and the weather for the past week or so has been turrible (yes, turrible, because terrible just doesn't cut it), and my vehicle has been keeping me nice and toasty. I do have the heated seats and steering wheel because, well, Edmonton.

I agree with you Eric, I think because my vehicle is pretty basic, there have been fewer issues. As of today, I wouldn't trade it for anything except a newer model (7 inch radio and satellite radio).

One last thing...I'm sick of people saying this is not a real Jeep. It is a REAL Jeep. It says so on the vehicle, contracts I signed, and my insurance and registration papers. It isn't a Wrangler, it's a compass. Just because it doesn't meet YOUR idea of what a Jeep should be, doesn't mean it isn't one. Tell me its not your typical Jeep or usual Jeep, and I'd be less offended. IJS

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but the real question is why did you buy it?
Because the employee lease price, which includes insurance is under $200 a month. As I have stated in a previous comment, I had high hopes for this car. It has a fresh look and being an employee of Chrysler for over 28 years, it only felt right to lease one of our newest vehicles. Plus, curiosity got the best me to try an Italian vehicle. Thankfully, I also have a Grand Cherokee which is a world class vehicle. My lease prior to the Compass was a 2016 Cherokee. This is also a world class vehicle. But, both the Grand Cherokee and Cherokee are engineered and built in the United States. The engineering process is much different on our American made vehicles. The Compass follows Fiat's guidelines. Weld patterns and build tolerances are much different over in Italy.

Chrysler need a small SUV to replace the former Compass and Patriot. The Fiat 500X was the perfect vehicle to develop a new Jeep as the engineering was already complete. Therefore, the investment was minimal to get a new Jeep on the road quickly.
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One last thing...I'm sick of people saying this is not a real Jeep. It is a REAL Jeep. It says so on the vehicle, contracts I signed, and my insurance and registration papers. It isn't a Wrangler, it's a compass. Just because it doesn't meet YOUR idea of what a Jeep should be, doesn't mean it isn't one. Tell me its not your typical Jeep or usual Jeep, and I'd be less offended. IJS[/QUOTE]

Jeep is an American engineered vehicle. All Jeeps are built in Toledo, Ohio or Detroit, Michigan. Jeep was acquired by Chrysler in 1988. Prior to Chrysler buying Jeep, Jeep was owned by AMC (American Motors). American Motors engineering center was in Detroit, Michigan. Before Jeep was AMC, it was Willys.

The Compass is a rebadged Fiat 500x. Just because there is a Jeep logo on the hood of the car does not make it a real Jeep. The Compass does not have the heritage the American engineered Jeeps have. Any Jeep purist will agree with me. That being said, get used to be sick of Jeep purist telling you otherwise.
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28 years at Chrysler and has all kinds of pull and knows all the behind the scenes stuff but yet can't make an educated decision to save his life. Now everyone is wrong but him LMFAO
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28 years at Chrysler and has all kinds of pull and knows all the behind the scenes stuff but yet can't make an educated decision to save his life. Now everyone is wrong but him LMFAO
Educated decision to save my life? Explain yourself.
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I was going to say I couldn't imagine Arudlang not being able to get back onto the road with two tires on the shoulder, but then I remembered a miserable trip home from Concord one night. It was snowing and I asked my Wife to take the Wrangler to the Concord bus station and drive my Pontiac home before the weather got bad. I wouldn't be in till late and I wanted 4wd for the trip home. Turned out to be a mistake. The 4wd Wrangler was no better than my Pontiac -- because of the tires. She's complained about those tires but after I experienced what she was complaining about I realized what a disaster they were (GY Wrangler RTSs). With 4wd I could go straight ahead, but cornering was tough and it even had trouble resisting the crown of the road. Who'd think I'd have that problem in a Jeep.

If I've learned anything from driving in snow for 40 years, its that all-season tires are really THREE season tires. In real snow, you need dedicated snow tires.

I also think that manufacturers use tires made to a price. I was told that by a GY dealer who was trying to convince me that his tires were better than the same OE tires.

With good snow tires a FWD vehicle is as good or better in snow than 4wd/AWD CORRECTION: with all-season tires. [The point of my post is that all-season tires are not nearly as good as dedicated snow tires.]
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I was going to say I couldn't imagine Arudlang not being able to get back onto the road with two tires on the shoulder, but then I remembered a miserable trip home from Concord one night. It was snowing and I asked my Wife to the Wrangler to the Concord bus station and drive my Pontiac home before the weather got bad. I wouldn't be in till late and I wanted 4wd for the trip home. Turned out to be a mistake. The 4wd Wrangler was no better than my Pontiac -- because of the tires. She's complained about those tires but after I experienced what she was complaining about I realized what a disaster they were (GY Wrangler RTSs). With 4wd I could go straight ahead, but cornering was tough and it even had trouble resisting the crown of the road. Who'd think I'd have that problem in a Jeep.

If I've learned anything from driving in snow for 40 years, its that all-season tires are really THREE season tires. In real snow, you need dedicated snow tires.

I also think that manufacturers use tires made to a price. I was told that by a GY dealer who was trying to convince me that his tires were better than the same OE tires.

With good snow tires a FWD vehicle is as good or better in snow than 4wd/AWD without all-season tires.
WELL SAID!!! All car manufactures are obsessed with cost reductions resulting in cheap tires and other components.
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actually i would say some all season tires run great in the snow

i had bridgestone dueler at's on my ram when i drove 4 hours from luray, va. to home

there was 18" unplowed when i left the cabin. roads were not much bett

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