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post #1 of 39 Old 02-19-2007, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
 
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Okay... Compass vs Patriot

I can' t understand why I read so many bad reviews of the compass and some many positive for the patriot. Because of the exterior design? I really like compass more...
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It's probably in the public's eye that it resembles a real jeep because it offers a trail rated package. However, from reading the different Jeep forums, trail rated is just a marketing scheme for Jeep to hype and sell their product. I'm pretty sure that there will be parts and accessories offered for the Compass to satisfy the off-road enthusiastist. When Jeep Liberty first came out, there were similar comments bashing the model and style. About 90% of SUV owners don't use their vehicle to off-road so I don't really care what the consumers think since I don't plan on hitting the Rubicon trail anytime soon.
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The Patriot' s Off-Road Package includes skid plates, front and rear tow hooks, a full-size spare tire, a driver-side seat-height adjuster, a 1-inch-higher ride height, an engine oil cooler and a low-range transaxle.
This equipment group augments the Patriot's optional on-demand, electronically controlled four-wheel-drive system with hill descent control (which modulates the brakes automatically to maintain low speed on steep declines).
Maybe the Off-Road Package doesn't turn the Patriot into a rock-crawler, but it helps the little Jeepster easily traverse trails far nastier than most Patriot owners are likely to attempt.


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Yeah I'm not understanding the reviews at all. The one guess I have is that they are test driving the Limited Patriots with the trail rated package. And when they see the capability+price it somehow makes it ok.

To me either is a great vehicle. I'm not crazy for the 18" wheels tho on the Compass and I'm leaning towards the patriot for its better side visibility and more truck like corners (plus it starts out cheaper). I havent totally decided but the unkind reviews of one and not the other seem almost insane because of the similarities between the two.
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It's kind of like I read somewhere else, Jeep could call a wheelbarow full of rocks "trailrated," and it would sell. It was indeed a good marketing technique for them, as it worked. Jeep "purists" are just afraid that by trying to make a Jeep for everyone that wants one is going to dilute the brand. I too, like the Compass better than the Patriot. However, I, too, am a Jeep purist, in that like so many other Jeep owners out there, I am very loyal to the brand. I love the styling and the features, even considering I had to put most of them back in the car, it is the perfect car for me, and I do most of my driving on-road. I have read some complaints about the Patriot being cheaper than the Compass, but if you consider DCX has taken all of the contents out, sure, the price is going to go down, but why bother going through all the trouble to secure financing, just to hand crank your windows, as that is your only source of air conditioning?





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The two options I know are different between the base models are:

The Compass has standard fog lights while the Patriot does not.
The Compass has standard 17" wheels while the Patriot offers standard 16" wheels.

Other then that they both start out as:
4x2
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I'd wait and see how different pricing is in the canadian market if that is where you are looking..

The patriot is "more jeep" to the eyes of most especially purists.. Reviewers could not seem to get over the exterior, which is fine.. I was not convinced from the get go but price versus what you get, it was a great deal. The only more capable one will be the offroad model which should sweat you more money.

The main reason for getting a compass - it was around when we wanted a new vehicle.

I posted in another thread, anyone who follows the production can realize that it will probably be months before you can get a patriot ordered for yourself, and dealer stock will be sparse which will equal little room to dicker.

The compass did everything fine, and I wasn't going to wait 6-8 months before I could get something that would fit our needs.
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The other problem I see with Patriot production is that there are so many things up in the air with DCX right now. We are the lucky ones who got the car we wanted when we did, especially, with the needle of Chrysler's compass pointing south right now. The only thing worse than that would be to see Jeep go overseas as about the only reason anyone wants to pick up Chrysler in the first place is to get their hands on that one gem, a.k.a. Jeep.I already felt bad for some of you who are still waiting on your car. I was originally going to order mine, but they had one at the dealership that was perfect, and I only had to change a couple of things from what my original order would have been, sunroof instead of 4x4, silver instead of khaki. Those features I consider an upgrade, because I am so very happy with the one I ended up getting!!! Hopefully Chrysler can pull it off.





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Re: Okay... Compass vs Patriot

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I can' t understand why I read so many bad reviews of the compass and some many positive for the patriot. Because of the exterior design? I really like compass more...
Most of the reviews that I see say it's because the interior is better in the Patriot. Plus a lot of Jeep Lovers are mad because Jeep made a vehicle that isn't "Trail Rated" (which means it's not meant for serious off roading)

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It's probably in the public's eye that it resembles a real jeep because it offers a trail rated package. However, from reading the different Jeep forums, trail rated is just a marketing scheme for Jeep to hype and sell their product. I'm pretty sure that there will be parts and accessories offered for the Compass to satisfy the off-road enthusiastist. When Jeep Liberty first came out, there were similar comments bashing the model and style. About 90% of SUV owners don't use their vehicle to off-road so I don't really care what the consumers think since I don't plan on hitting the Rubicon trail anytime soon.
No. Jeep's "Trail Rated" means that it has passed Jeeps Off Road tests - I think there's 5 categories that it has to pass?

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The other problem I see with Patriot production is that there are so many things up in the air with DCX right now. We are the lucky ones who got the car we wanted when we did, especially, with the needle of Chrysler's compass pointing south right now. The only thing worse than that would be to see Jeep go overseas as about the only reason anyone wants to pick up Chrysler in the first place is to get their hands on that one gem, a.k.a. Jeep.I already felt bad for some of you who are still waiting on your car. I was originally going to order mine, but they had one at the dealership that was perfect, and I only had to change a couple of things from what my original order would have been, sunroof instead of 4x4, silver instead of khaki. Those features I consider an upgrade, because I am so very happy with the one I ended up getting!!! Hopefully Chrysler can pull it off.
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No. Jeep's "Trail Rated" means that it has passed Jeeps Off Road tests and has also sucessfully navigated the Rubicon Trail.
I'd be surprised if anywhere near the majority of patriots came with the offroad package, although it will be a cool first for the segment.

As for the chrysler troubles, we'll see what shakes out, as private equity firms seem to be vying for a potential sale. I still would be surprised to see anything change per say from a consumer standpoint. They could in theory sell some parts and liquidate the rest but we'll see.

I'll go on record again to say - chrysler messed up pricing the compass a grand above the patriot. As well I'm not sure what their plans are for volume. They still have not ramped up patriot production like I expected them to. Only 8k of them made thus far, vs 20k compasses this year and over 40k calibers.
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No. Jeep's "Trail Rated" means that it has passed Jeeps Off Road tests and has also sucessfully navigated the Rubicon Trail.
I'd be surprised if anywhere near the majority of patriots came with the offroad package, although it will be a cool first for the segment.

As for the chrysler troubles, we'll see what shakes out, as private equity firms seem to be vying for a potential sale. I still would be surprised to see anything change per say from a consumer standpoint. They could in theory sell some parts and liquidate the rest but we'll see.

I'll go on record again to say - chrysler messed up pricing the compass a grand above the patriot. As well I'm not sure what their plans are for volume. They still have not ramped up patriot production like I expected them to. Only 8k of them made thus far, vs 20k compasses this year and over 40k calibers.
The latest rumour is that Magna might buy Chrysler. I think that Chrysler will be okay. The Jeeps, Mini Vans, Calibers & 300's are all selling well.

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I can' t understand why I read so many bad reviews of the compass and some many positive for the patriot. Because of the exterior design? I really like compass more...
Most of the reviews that I see say it's because the interior is better in the Patriot. Plus a lot of Jeep Lovers are mad because Jeep made a vehicle that isn't "Trail Rated" (which means it's not meant for serious off roading)
But... both vehicles have the same interior!!!
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[[email protected]][quote=Neely2005][quote="[email protected]":kkxurk0g]I can' t understand why I read so many bad reviews of the compass and some many positive for the patriot. Because of the exterior design? I really like compass more...[/quote]

Most of the reviews that I see say it's because the interior is better in the Patriot. Plus a lot of Jeep Lovers are mad because Jeep made a vehicle that isn't "Trail Rated" (which means it's not meant for serious off roading)[/quote]

But... both vehicles have the [b]same [/b]interior!!![/quote:kkxurk0g]

"The other good news is that the construction of the interior is not as embarrassingly cheap as the interiors of the Caliber and Compass are. It is merely cheap."

[url="http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=75633"]http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Dr ... leId=75633[/url]

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The interiors are the same - I can confirm this having tested both. Only difference was the Compass I drove was cloth and the Patriot had leather - other then that nothing comes to mind as being different.

Neely the Patriot is trail rated but Jeep has no plans to test it on the Rubicon. Which to me means its a light -medium trail capable vehicle. The trail rated badge only means it meets certain criteia for off roading - x number of inches of water fording x number of ground clearance etc. etc...
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Blasted for that perfect summary of what the vehicle is capable and not capable of - I think not. The compass competes and compares very well against car based suv cross overs. These crossovers are usually limited in off-road capability (cr-v/rav4's included). The Patriot is the same except for its one off trail rated version which tries to incorparate a little bit more of the off road Jeepness that goes with the brand name.

BTW competes well is an understatement in every category except interior. These Jeeps are great value for money.
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I'm hoping to test drive a Patriot just for fun ... still none at the dealer in Yellowknife ..

I've been reading a lot of positive reviews about the Patriot, and they did sort of make me wish I could have waited .. but maybe a lot of it is hype ..

I'm not really planning on bashing my brand-new vehicle off road like I did with my old Exploder .... if I got properly stuck, or something broke, it didn't really matter ... I hiked out and got someone to come help ..

.. I'm still wondering why North America didn't get any Diesel love ... and why you can't get a manual Patriot with the Freedom Drive II ...

visibility in my compass leaves something to be desired .. I'd be interested in test driving to check the difference in the Patriot ..
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There are some good Compass & Patriot Comparisons in this article:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=3299

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I'm hoping to test drive a Patriot just for fun ... still none at the dealer in Yellowknife ..

I've been reading a lot of positive reviews about the Patriot, and they did sort of make me wish I could have waited .. but maybe a lot of it is hype ..

I'm not really planning on bashing my brand-new vehicle off road like I did with my old Exploder .... if I got properly stuck, or something broke, it didn't really matter ... I hiked out and got someone to come help ..

.. I'm still wondering why North America didn't get any Diesel love ... and why you can't get a manual Patriot with the Freedom Drive II ...

visibility in my compass leaves something to be desired .. I'd be interested in test driving to check the difference in the Patriot ..
"They might, but not right now, as they don't yet have a suitable diesel for North America because of new, stricter emissions. The diesel engine sold in Europe can't be sold here, and the same goes for the Liberty CRD, which will be discontinued after 2006."

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Yeah I'm not understanding the reviews at all. The one guess I have is that they are test driving the Limited Patriots with the trail rated package. And when they see the capability+price it somehow makes it ok.

To me either is a great vehicle. I'm not crazy for the 18" wheels tho on the Compass and I'm leaning towards the patriot for its better side visibility and more truck like corners (plus it starts out cheaper). I havent totally decided but the unkind reviews of one and not the other seem almost insane because of the similarities between the two.
Is your comment regarding better side visibility on the Compass related to the window shape?
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Trail Rated = Rubicon!

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It's probably in the public's eye that it resembles a real jeep because it offers a trail rated package. However, from reading the different Jeep forums, trail rated is just a marketing scheme for Jeep to hype and sell their product. I'm pretty sure that there will be parts and accessories offered for the Compass to satisfy the off-road enthusiastist. When Jeep Liberty first came out, there were similar comments bashing the model and style. About 90% of SUV owners don't use their vehicle to off-road so I don't really care what the consumers think since I don't plan on hitting the Rubicon trail anytime soon.
No. Jeep's "Trail Rated" means that it has passed Jeeps Off Road tests and has also sucessfully navigated the Rubicon Trail.
"Unlike the FWD Jeep Compass that debuted earlier, the Patriot is trail-rated, which means it had to take on the mighty, toughest off-road course in North American ó the Rubicon Trail test ó and survive."

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Hey, I read that the sales for DCX were up only because of the Wrangler and COMPASS sales fro the month of April. Car & Driver has some cool things to say about the Compass, and the Caopass was rated # ( on the 10 best SUV's. It is just taking time for people to see how much more you get for the $ in the Compass over the patriot.




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Hey, I read that the sales for DCX were up only because of the Wrangler and COMPASS sales fro the month of April. Car & Driver has some cool things to say about the Compass, and the Caopass was rated # ( on the 10 best SUV's. It is just taking time for people to see how much more you get for the $ in the Compass over the patriot.




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On the Chard the Wrangler Unlimited was #2 with the Toyota FJ as # 1 and the Compass was #9 out of the top ten SUV's. I did not thing the compass would even be on the list frankly. I think the Compass is very under rated.


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After 3 months of having my compas... I AM IN LOVE WITH IT.
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Hey, I read that the sales for DCX were up only because of the Wrangler and COMPASS sales fro the month of April. Car & Driver has some cool things to say about the Compass, and the Caopass was rated # ( on the 10 best SUV's. It is just taking time for people to see how much more you get for the $ in the Compass over the patriot.




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