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post #1 of 27 Old 08-22-2007, 12:32 AM Thread Starter
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Winter Tires

With my new Compass on order and expecting it to arrive somewhere between the end of October, end of November I thought I'd better look at getting some winter tires and rims.

I had mentioned to the dealer that I had a set for my Matrix which I am getting rid of. He said that it might be possible to use those tires on the Compass with new rims.

I never thought to ask again and thought you guys may know. Of course the Matrix has 16 inch tires, I'm worried that they may not be the right size to keep my kms and speedometer correct.

Anyway, the size on the Matrix tires are P205/55/R16 If I have to I will just buy new tires and rims, I just hate to get rid of them with only two years of wear on them. Thanks for the help.
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On the Inside Edge of the Drivers Door you should see a sticker that tells you the Acceptable Tire Sizes. There's usually at least 2 Tire Sizes listed there. If your tires from your Matrix are the same size then you can use them. If not I'm sure you can sell them.

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Considering you need winter tires, I'm surprised you ordered a FWD Compass.

I'm not sure if the tires will fit, but I swapped out my stock tires for Nokian WR's. I've heard great things about Nokian tyres and the WR's can be run all year round without having to change them out in the summer.

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Considering you need winter tires, I'm surprised you ordered a FWD Compass.

I'm not sure if the tires will fit, but I swapped out my stock tires for Nokian WR's. I've heard great things about Nokian tyres and the WR's can be run all year round without having to change them out in the summer.

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I guess it depends where he lives. I have @ 2002 Neon and I've Never got stuck in the snow with my Winter Tires. FWD is pretty good in the snow. Not as good as 4WD but Much better than RWD!

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Well my Matrix is a FWD and had absolutely no problems with it in the winter, with a good set of tires. I live in southern Quebec and had the Matrix for three winters and it went great.

I had talked to a previous Matrix owner who went to the Compass and went the same route with no regrets. I was nervous with my Matrix the first little while, I had owned two Sidekick 4X4s before that so never drove in winter without it before.

Plus, a ton of people have the Caliber around where I live just in FWD and love it. Isn't the Jeep heavier?
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Well my Matrix is a FWD and had absolutely no problems with it in the winter, with a good set of tires. I live in southern Quebec and had the Matrix for three winters and it went great.

I had talked to a previous Matrix owner who went to the Compass and went the same route with no regrets. I was nervous with my Matrix the first little while, I had owned two Sidekick 4X4s before that so never drove in winter without it before.

Plus, a ton of people have the Caliber around where I live just in FWD and love it. Isn't the Jeep heavier?
It depends - the Caliber R/T AWD is actually heavier than the Compass.
I'm not sure about the FWD Calibers.

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There was another sort of post, and based on stock tire sizes at the time my calculations came up with this:


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215 / 65 / 16 should be closer to original tire height and provided you don't have brake / caliper clearance issues should be just fine.
Talk to your tire shop. there could be offset issues with the rim as well.

As we know, if your tire size is way out based on stock size, your speedometer will be out ranging from a little to a lot.
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I have the limited model, so it came with the 18 inch crappy firestone tires. I have heard nothing but bad reviews about these tires. I really want new rims and tires for winter, but my dad thinks because it's 4x4, I don't need it!! And he's a mechanic I know this isn't the case, whats all your opinion on this? Are u guys getting winter tires for your Compasses?
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Yes! I always get winter tires. It doesn't matter if it's 4WD, the tires still need to be able to grip in the snow. Winter tires make a huge difference on any car. You can get good ones (Goodyear Nordic) for a good price @ Canadian Tire. I've had them on my Neon for 4 winters now and the mechanic thought they were brand new when he took them off this year. I highly recommend them.

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Thanks, my dad is crazy lol he thinks its a waste of money, but i try to explain it will prolong the life of my current tires so it's the same thing!! He doesnt want the space being taken up in his shop :P

should I go with 16's or 17's for winter instead of 18's? Its probably better to have a thicker tire for winter rather than my performance looking tires right?
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The height of the tire doesn't matter as much for snow, unless you expect a lot of deep snow, then the taller tire will give you more ground clearance. I've been told a thinner tire is better in the snow because it moves through the snow easier. Not sure if that is true. As long as you buy one of the sizes that is listed on the sticker on the inside edge of your drivers side door you should be fine.

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I went through the first winter (got my 4x4 Compass in december) with the original Firestone all season tires and they were perfect, but they had 0 km, they were perfectly new.

The 4x4 (and all the other traction control gadgets) compensate for pretty much everything if you don't have winter tires. I've had 3, 2x4 vehicles before my Compass and believe me, this is night and day. There's no way a 2x4 vehicle, even with the best winter tires installed would be able to drive like I did this winter.

However, you slide like other cars when you break on a stop sign, 4x4 won't help you there.

However, you understand very fast that all season tires don't have the traction of winter tires when you hear the ABS turning on and off when you break and accelerate and the rev limiter turns on to prevent tire slippage when you accelerate too fast or the ESP blocking one wheel after the other to keep you going straight or to help you negotiate that curve you took too fast.

But hey, all those systems help you correct what you, or your tires can't handle but they have their limitations.

I will buy winter tires this winter but I believe you can do without them if you have 4x4 and brand new all season tires installed, that's what I did.

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I still have the stock Firestones on my Limited 4x4. I found that they are pretty good in the snow...I live on an acreage and they went through my unplowed yard as well as the highways with no problem. However, they are terrible on ice slick roads, after a freezing rain. One night we were coming home on the highway and found we couldn't get over 60km/hr (100km/hr speed limit) because the Compass kept veering off into the oncoming lane. All the other vehicles were passing us and zooming off with no problem. My DH pulled over because he thought maybe we had some sort of mechanical problem or a tire was going down. Once he stepped onto the highway, he realized it was just glare ice and that the tires had no "side bite". We had driven on the highway plenty of times when it was icy, but it had also had snow too..this was the 1st time for just ice. We will be getting new tires before winter hits this year because of that.
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Let me know what you decide to get. I definitely will need new tires, and its easier to get the rims too.. are u gonna stick to 18 inch?? I heard to Nokian's are good, but I don't know much about tires... I'd rather invest the extra money now and be safe this winter, like i said, it will prolong the life of my current tires so it evens out.
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I still have the stock Firestones on my Limited 4x4. I found that they are pretty good in the snow...I live on an acreage and they went through my unplowed yard as well as the highways with no problem. However, they are terrible on ice slick roads, after a freezing rain. One night we were coming home on the highway and found we couldn't get over 60km/hr (100km/hr speed limit) because the Compass kept veering off into the oncoming lane. All the other vehicles were passing us and zooming off with no problem. My DH pulled over because he thought maybe we had some sort of mechanical problem or a tire was going down. Once he stepped onto the highway, he realized it was just glare ice and that the tires had no "side bite". We had driven on the highway plenty of times when it was icy, but it had also had snow too..this was the 1st time for just ice. We will be getting new tires before winter hits this year because of that.
I remember that. We left Saskatoon and made it to Hanley in an hour. We were sliding sideways with Nokian tires. We turned around and went home there were too many cars in the ditch. There are some situations (pure ice) where it doesn't matter what tires you have, you're going to have problems. In the case of pure ice, studs would help more than winter tires.
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I remember that. We left Saskatoon and made it to Hanley in an hour. We were sliding sideways with Nokian tires. We turned around and went home there were too many cars in the ditch. There are some situations (pure ice) where it doesn't matter what tires you have, you're going to have problems. In the case of pure ice, studs would help more than winter tires.
I agree but this wasn't the big freezing rain storm, in fact, it was only for a few kilometres of the highway and then it was good again. Also, everyone else was driving the speed limit and passing us with no problems so that was why we were surprised to find that it was the road and not a problem with the car...well other than the tires that is.
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I agree but this wasn't the big freezing rain storm, in fact, it was only for a few kilometres of the highway and then it was good again. Also, everyone else was driving the speed limit and passing us with no problems so that was why we were surprised to find that it was the road and not a problem with the car...well other than the tires that is.
Hmm, that is odd. I had read some negative reviews regarding the tires that were on my Compass, that's part of the reason I bought the Nokian tires.
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Yeah I read a lot of bad reviews about the Firestones in the snow even. Thats why I'm getting the winter tires..
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Let me know what you decide to get. I definitely will need new tires, and its easier to get the rims too.. are u gonna stick to 18 inch?? I heard to Nokian's are good, but I don't know much about tires... I'd rather invest the extra money now and be safe this winter, like i said, it will prolong the life of my current tires so it evens out.
From my first inquiries it looks like the cost of 18" snows is really high, as expensive as rims and 17" snows. I have full size spare so hope the rims dealer is selling match the rim on the spare, I found tire speacialist sells aftermarket rims that do not match (but 4 cost the same as 3 rims from the dealer). Nokians are great, I have a set from my BMW (15"195/65). They are studed and I could not believe the grip they gave me with the rear wheel drive last winter. (They are for sale, used only about 3500Km)

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So a little further research and a second tire specialist recommeded going with 16" rims. The tire size 215/65R16 apparently is practally the same rolling circumfrance as the 17" & 18" wheels.

Cost wise this is the best option, 16" wheels and tires are better priced then 17". For myself, I have a full size 17" spare so I would need only 3 matching Mopar rims, the dif is about $60 over the cost of 4 aftermarket. The tires are considerably less expensive.

My concern would be - is there sufficient space for the brake calipers and ice and snow accumulation in the 16", : would they look odd :

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Does anyone know the OE specs for the rims? I'm looking at getting 4 steelies that would fit on my compass for my winter tires. (using 215x65x16 tires)

No one seems to know the specs..ie bolt patterns and offset? (dealership, cdn tire, chrysler help desk)


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btw found this as well for the compass: http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterPack ... ar=Limited

15" Recommended: 205/70-15

16" Recommended: 215/65-16 - 16X6.5

17" Recommended: 215/60-17

18" Recommended: 225/50-18


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never mind, found the info on another forum:

Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3
Center Bore: 71.5
Hardware:12x1.50 Lug
Offset: 34-42mm
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Re: Winter Tires

[quote="i2canoe"] My concern would be - is there sufficient space for the brake calipers and ice and snow accumulation in the 16", : would they look odd :

I have 215/65 R16 Nokian Hakkapeliitta 5 wintertires for my Compass Sport Base AWD. No, they don't look odd !

My wife has the Dodge Caliber with the same size & make wintertires and we had no troubles last winter.
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I'm thinking about buying Winter Tires & Winter Rims - does anyone know what kind of alarm the Compass has if it doesn't detect tire pressure?

Is there a chime?
Just an error message on the readout screen?

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i2canoe wrote: My concern would be - is there sufficient space for the brake calipers and ice and snow accumulation in the 16", : would they look odd :
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I have 215/65 R16 Nokian Hakkapeliitta 5 wintertires for my Compass Sport Base AWD. No, they don't look odd !
My wife has the Dodge Caliber with the same size & make wintertires and we had no troubles last winter.
I went with 215/65R16 Nokian NORDMAN's for my winter ride. This was the suggestion of the tire dealers, confirmed by my jeep dealer. The ride is fine. In so far as the "look" the black steelies look great, my son told me they look much more Macho then the mags.
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Odd ?

It wasn't easy to put a picture here, because the picture should be on a computer with public URL. I hope the avatar picture gives You a hint that 16" does not look specially odd.

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I just bought steelies yesterday: decided to go for 17"

And I bought a set of Toyo Observe G02 plus 215-60-R17 same as original size.

I didn't buy another set of tire pressure sensors so I will live with the chime and indicator light.

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