This had got to be the best part of this whole hilarious argument. The fact that the poster thinks ANY trail in MN is a challenging trail for a true 4WD. I live in MN now, but lived in Utah most of my life. There is no comparison. Go to Moab and hit hell's revenge or fins and things or lions back and then tell me about the "real trails" in MN. It's the same thing when people tell me about awesome the ski resorts are here in MN. They just don't know any better..... Yes, I've owned four trucks and two SUVs and grew up smashing them around the trails and forests of northern Minnesota. Real trails, by way, not some sanctioned dedicated play-pen with stickers and trail guides.. raw rocky muddy no-man's-land with overgrown abandoned logging trails privately owned and maintained by no one.