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Jasmine said:
I just wonder why this problem has never surfaced in other vehicles before now.
You've been under a rock, perhaps?

Like others pointed out its been well documented in every FCA car that has used this generation of the 2.4 engine since 2014, most closely notable to us would be that every year of the Jeep Renegade and the Jeep Cherokees equipped with this motor, have lots of people on forums crying about oil consumption same as our members. You can google it up in just a few seconds. The problem has been at the surface for a long time just maybe not in places you or any of the rest of us really look.

[QUOT=JasmineE]While not identical, the 2.0 and 2.4 World Engine and the 2.4 Tigershark are all kissin' cousins. [/QUOTE]

They aren't the same though. In the endless quest to improve power and efficiency and emissions they have pushed their once okay-ish design to its limits and this generation of that motor, starting around 2014 with the dodge darts and the jeep renegades, have been non-stop proof every since that they have done something bad along the way and the fact that its never fixed makes me think its not so much "they choose not to do anything about it" as much as perhaps "they are incapable of fixing it". That could be the case. They simply don't seem to be able to produce the power per ci that other manufactures are capable of and when they try to reach for it we get engines like this. Who knows.
 

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You've been under a rock, perhaps?

Like others pointed out its been well documented in every FCA car that has used this generation of the 2.4 engine . . .
If you read my post I agreed with most of what you went on to say. I was referring to the 2nd gen 2.4 -- the 1st generation did not have the oil consumption problem. When the 2nd gen 2.4 came out, so did the oil (at least in some). I suspect it is the modifications they did to the World Engine to turn it into the Tigershark (Kittenfish) engine that has led to the oil loss.

I'm no engineer but when something is working fine, then it gets changed, then problems happen, its probably due to the changes.
 

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What gets me is this issue has been present since 2014. Maybe even before 2014. Yet, FCA has done absolutely nothing to fix the issue. Every once in a while, Jeep Cares will offer someone assistance on this forum but, the Jeep Care comments are nothing more than a standard template reply. So, Jeep Customer Care is pretty much worthless. FCA has proven they are pretty much useless trying to fix the oil consumption problem. What are the engineers doing? Standing around an engine with their thumbs in their a$$? It’s been 5 years and engines are still consuming oil. And the American auto makers wonder why their market share has been lost to the foreign brands.
 

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You said it Rockdog. Back when we bought our Compass I tried to do some research on how the Renegades were holding up and what common issues they had (since the MP Compass was brand new in 2017 and had no history of its own)

I admit I found and read about the Renegade oil issues, and delusionally thought to myself "Okay, well surely they have addressed that issue by now and won't possibly be an issue for me in our Compass." And I etched that thought into my brain and gave it no more worry. Well 42 thousand miles later ours doesn't use too much oil but it does use oil. The only reason I don't have to add to top mine off is because I change the oil and filter ever 4k. Otherwise I would be needing to add oil every 4k miles, somewhere between half a quart to 3/4 of a quart.

Not the end of the world I'm really one of the fortunate ones but it does speak very badly for FCA in general and reduces the likelihood that I will ever purchase another one of their products. It feels like this is mostly isolated to their cheap or bargain series vehicles though, so I'd like to believe its safe to step up to something like a Grand Cherokee BUT then their haunting electrical issues concern me too so, very iffy whether or not I would purchase Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge again.
 

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You said it Rockdog. Back when we bought our Compass I tried to do some research on how the Renegades were holding up and what common issues they had (since the MP Compass was brand new in 2017 and had no history of its own)

I admit I found and read about the Renegade oil issues, and delusionally thought to myself "Okay, well surely they have addressed that issue by now and won't possibly be an issue for me in our Compass." And I etched that thought into my brain and gave it no more worry. Well 42 thousand miles later ours doesn't use too much oil but it does use oil. The only reason I don't have to add to top mine off is because I change the oil and filter ever 4k. Otherwise I would be needing to add oil every 4k miles, somewhere between half a quart to 3/4 of a quart.

Not the end of the world I'm really one of the fortunate ones but it does speak very badly for FCA in general and reduces the likelihood that I will ever purchase another one of their products. It feels like this is mostly isolated to their cheap or bargain series vehicles though, so I'd like to believe its safe to step up to something like a Grand Cherokee BUT then their haunting electrical issues concern me too so, very iffy whether or not I would purchase Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge again.
looking at the FCA product lineup, any vehicle with connections to the DaimlerChrysler era will be a better vehicle. Despite the age of these vehicles, the underpinnings and engineering are much better. Yes, the Dodge Journey is an ugly 12 year old car but, it runs well. The Dodge Durango, Jeep Grand Cherokee are strong, problem free vehicles. Same stands true for the Dodge Challenger and Charger. Rams trucks are killing it. The Wrangler and Cherokee, despite being launched during the Fiat era, were mostly engineered and designed during the DaimlerChrysler years.
The Jeep Renegade, Jeep Compass, Fiat 500, Fiat 500x, Chrysler 200 and the Dodge Dart are all products engineered after Fiat took control of Chrysler. The Chaotic Fiat Engineering process doing everything as cheaply as possible with little regards to customer satisfaction has produced lackluster vehicles filled with problems and issues. Now, the Dart and 200 have been killed. The Renegade is receiving a facelift as is the Compass but, none of the problems inherent to these vehicles have been engineered out. Fiat dropped the 500 models from the US market. The above mentioned DaimlerChrysler vehicles are getting old and one has to ask, “What takes FiatChrysler so long to redesign a vehicle”? The new WL Grand Cherokee is forthcoming but, this is an all new Grand Cherokee engineered by Fiat....with this be nothing more than a larger Jeep Compass? Additionally, FCA continues to use the lousy ZF transmission and other poorly engineered supplier parts. In other words, Fiat has pretty much destroyed the former Chrysler. Now, by slapping a Jeep nameplate on the Compass (Fiat 500X) and the Renegade (Fiat 500), it is safe to say, Fiat is screwing up the Jeep nameplate.
 

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I don't know if they are in denial, but it seems the new 2/4 has been around long enough they should realize there's a significant number of vehicles with this oil consumption problem.

As for the ZF I'm not sure its junk yet. I'll have a better idea in a couple years. It shifts forward smoothly, but there is a lag, no doubt. With that many gears (to satisfy the CAFE standards imposed by the government you voted for) we can't be surprised that these have some problems. The big thing for me is I want it to last for 200,000 miles.

FIAT left the us market decades ago when we discovered what the initials F.I.A.T. stood for. I hope they learned their lesson.
 

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I understand, mikeexelby, and do genuinely apologize for the trouble you've encountered thus far. Should you change your mind, don't hesitate to connect with us via direct message.

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I have had the same exact problem. I have reached out to our local dealership and have done oil consumption tests and they then replaced the PCV Valve. Continued another round of oil consumption tests and oil was still low. My vehicle also stalled on me three times. I have a case out with Jeep but they are not helping in anyway and I have not heard back other than saying we’re still reaching out to our rep and received no help. This has been going in for a couple months.
 

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I understand, mikeexelby, and do genuinely apologize for the trouble you've encountered thus far. Should you change your mind, don't hesitate to connect with us via direct message.

Jasmine
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Just so you know, Jasmine above is a different Jasmine.
 

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I have had the same exact problem. I have reached out to our local dealership and have done oil consumption tests and they then replaced the PCV Valve. Continued another round of oil consumption tests and oil was still low. My vehicle also stalled on me three times. I have a case out with Jeep but they are not helping in anyway and I have not heard back other than saying we’re still reaching out to our rep and received no help. This has been going in for a couple months.
Good luck with Jeep Customer Care....they were useless when I had my issues. As for the Jeep Social Care Specialist...they are useless as well.
 

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Sayre, give 'em a chance. Social care has helped others. We can't know the circumstances of everyone, but it can't hurt to have someone from corporate on your side.
 

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Good luck with Jeep Customer Care....they were useless when I had my issues. As for the Jeep Social Care Specialist...they are useless as well.
Im quickly realizing that I am not going to reactive any help from Jeep and am unfortunately stuck with a vehicle that has problems. Thanks for the feedback
 

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Im quickly realizing that I am not going to reactive any help from Jeep and am unfortunately stuck with a vehicle that has problems. Thanks for the feedback
I would keep pushing Jeep Customer Care - keep in mind however, JCC is not FCA. JCC is outsourced to a company that employs people to read off a script. You need to take the car back to the dealer and insist the dealer service manager contact the FCA service rep that handles dealers in your zone. Document everything. Keep pushing and eventually, they may buy you out of your lease or purchase.
 

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For those of you who are having oil consumption problems, I have come across a web site for a law group which is apparently investigating the possibility of a class action law suite. Search for "Jeep Compass Oil Consumption", you should find it.
 

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For those of you who are having oil consumption problems, I have come across a web site for a law group which is apparently investigating the possibility of a class action law suite. Search for "Jeep Compass Oil Consumption", you should find it.
Thank you for the information.
 

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For those of you who are having oil consumption problems, I have come across a web site for a law group which is apparently investigating the possibility of a class action law suite. Search for "Jeep Compass Oil Consumption", you should find it.
So you go to court with all the documentation and anecdotal evidence. The defense says, "Yup, that's how we designed it: 500 miles/quart. Most Compasses will do better, but some may barely achieve the standard." They can even point to a few engines they've replaced and say, "We've taken care of those actually who fell short." They can show that other manufacturers have similar consumption rates to prove FCA is on par with the industry. "The government has set the CAFE standards. This is what we're doing to comply with the law."

In the rebuttal your lawyer says, "Cars didn't used to be this bad." The defense responds, "You can't hold modern cars to the standards of the 1940s," and then the churn out a ream of documents showing the gains in power, torque, and longevity across the board. Heck, even in the 1960s it was not uncommon for engines to have a ring job, a valve job or even a total rebuild before 100,000 miles.

In closing your lawyer runs with a sob story about the financial struggles of a single mother who thinks she needs a new engine. The defense responds, "There's a dipstick for a reason. The owners manual says to check it. Top off the oil as needed and this engine is good for a quarter million miles. With the money you're saving by the improved fuel economy you can afford a extra quart of oil every so often." Defense rests.
 
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