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Well, I picked up the ride yesterday and spent a good bit of time behind the wheel - I drove a couple hundred kms..

Compass, limited, cvt, 4x4 is the vehicle in question..

As mentioned in other threads, options included uconnect, full sized spare, conveneince and security groups, 6 disc / boston acoustics speakers. We opted out of the so often seen on the lot chrome wheels and the sunroof, which dropped the price of the car by 1500 bucks.

Driving - seeing other reports of sloppy steering really made me scratch my head. The compass in my view steers pretty crisply, and has less body roll than I would imagine for a CUV.

The brakes so far are fantastic, like they belong on a bigger car.

The CVT is easy to get used to - we have the autostick, I can't see it being used much. Power delivery was fine.

It isnt a high horsepower musclecar and in my pleibian driving, it was more than adequate. Merging at highway speed was good, stop and go traffic was without issue.

Certainly one should not expect a visceral driving experience a la a sports car. You're not in a porsche. You're in a crossover which has a different job and a much lower pricetag than a porsche.

The ride does communicate some bumps in the road, but this is to be expected given that the vehicle has 18 inch rims, and low profile tires. I would not want it any other way, but this fact may have contributed to some reviewers whining about the "rough" ride. The wheel tire / suspension package setup is exactly what I would want somewhat sporty and responsive.

Front visibility is good, side is good, but as many have stated there is a bit of a blind spot on the rear 3/4. Nothing insurmountable of course. Rearviews seems a little cramped through the mirror, but it is somethin I will get used to. All a matter of perspective, I am normally in an f250.

Seating posisiton on fthe road is good. Not rolling on the ground like a comparably priced compact car, but not way high like a larger truck / suv.

Inside - Leather front seats are nice, fairly supportive. I have sciatic nerve issues in my back and I effortlessy rolled down the highway which surprised me. I would have liked power seats, but it isn't a showstopper. the ability to finetune the seating position height was very nice. I would have preferred leather throughout, but at this pricepoint it is fine.

There is no getting around the fact that the dash is plastic. Thankfully it is in any other car in the segment as well. Panel fitment was good, seams were even. Lots of countours which is nicer than an expansive flat platic panel. If they could soften up the feel of the plastic a little bit they'd have a winner. That being said again, not worse than any other vehicle in the segment / pricepoint.

Instrumentation is pretty intuitive and clear. Heating / Vent controls as well are simple, logical and work well.

I insisted on the boston acoustics setup and let me tell you I'm glad I did. The sound is great. I've never been one to spend money on aftermarket systems but I still like to Rock and Roll whilst driving. Bass response is great, the sound is clear, and for a stock system it pounds nicely.

I opted for the 6 disc changer, and I at this point would not recommend it. I would not do it again. Why? Unless I'm missing something, there is not a n auxilliary input for an MP3 player like there is with the stock one. This boggles my mind and I was fairly disappointed in it. I'll look to an adapter of some sort now but that isn't the way I wanted to go. I did a triple take and could not believe I couldn't find it. The controls are good on the 6 disc changer, easy to use, works well without question, but I was put off by spending more money on the upgrade only to lose something that I really wanted. Shame on me for not researching.

Another beef is that indeed the older gen ipods don't fit too well in the flip out holder. DCX, it should not have taken much effort to pull this off properly.

Headroom is very good, step in to the vehicle is low which is also good. It retains 8+ inches of ground clearance - so you get the best of all worlds in a sense.

Utility - Space - looks great, fold flat seats and the back with its rugged floor. The thing seems to have more room inside than the last liberty I drove which is odd, but great for us.

Styling - I was really on the fence about it. It is unique, but seeing it up close and spending time with it - I've warmed up to it. There seems to be some people whining about its looks in other reviews, but I'm pretty satisfied in this department. It can't be mistaken for many of the bland crossovers out there. The paint had some noticeable orange peel, which is not unheard of, but it was more pronounced than I would have thought - maybe because of the color (inferno red).

In summary I'm quite pleased with the vehicle. Pricepoint versus the features you get quite frankly were better than anything else I looked at. Looking at the CRVs and RAV4s, I'd be in for thousands more. I had a turbo subaru forester for example, and although it was more satisfying performancewise and nicer inside than the compass, it cost 10k more. Caveat here, I'm canadian so I go by canadian pricing. The matrix didnt seem to be available with AWD this year and was more car than CUV.

So there is the punchline. A well optioned capable crossover that does its job very well for a bloody fair price. There are some sacrifices with the price of admission for sure..

However the fact that we have a unique, very safe, very well appointed vehicle with AWD and are not facing a large car payment is a nice place to be. I personally am a Mopar man dyed in the wool, but I was very skiddish on this vehicle to start. I can honestly report that I'm now more than satisfied with it. :p
 

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Great review ACX, very worth reading. I agree with you on pretty much everything.

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No aux input for my ipod on audio upgrade? Infuriating!

Hearing that the Boston Acoustics audio upgrade does not include the ipod jack is yet another 'discovery' that has made this buying experience the worst I have ever had. Daimler Chrysler/Jeep have completely **** the bed on many of the production aspects of this vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Compass for many reasons. However, I went into my local dealership a very knowledgeable buyer; I'm also a very loyal Jeep owner. I've loved every day of my last 11 years driving my custom 87 YJ--soft top in chilly Manitoba winters that just a month ago dropped to a nasty -50 with wind chill. No problem... I'm a Jeep guy.... BUT, I'm ready for a grown-up Jeep. The YJ with the top off, windshield folded foreward and doors off is for the smokin' hot prarie summers.....The grown-up Jeep, The Compass Limited, with its hard roof, heated leather seats and glass windows that don't zip down is for all of the other times....
I simply cannot believe that my dealer did not mention to me when I purchased the Boston Acoustics Audio with 6 disk changer that it did not come with the aux input for an mp3 player. They market the functionality and convenience of the flip out ipod holder and the aux input; it is illogical and almost sneaky not to have it an all audio package options.
This is brutal news to me....still waiting..its been 14 almost 15 weeks and now i hear this news.
By the way, thanks ACX for your very thorough review.
I swear I'm going to be tempted to drive cross country the day I take possesion of my Compass. I'm being tortured with this crazy waiting!
 

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I have the BA package with the standard single CD and it does have the Aux jack. It works great with my Nano.

Maybe ask then to swap the 6 CD changer for the regular unit. It would be worth a try.
 

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it isn't the boston acoustics option that kills the aux jack it is the 6 disc changer, actually 2 options..

the ideal setup = boston acoustic musicgate option, with stock CD player.

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Chilly winters indeed thunder, I have spent many of my 32 Christmas' in Winnipeg feezing my tail off. :D
 

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BA

the upgrade to the BA speaker package does not include changing the factory single disc player. the single disc head unit has the aux jack
 

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I thought that it would make sense to post the CR Review

Okay here is the Synopsis from the Consumer Reports Review in the February 2007 issue:

Model Reviewed: Jeep Compass Sport with CVT & 2.4L Engine
Category: Small SUV’s
Score: 51 out of 100 (Compass Score)
Highest Rated: Toyota RAV4 Limited (V6) – Score: 83 out of 100 (Effectively this means that the Compass scored 51 out of 83 or 61.4%) (This RAV4 V6 also costs about $9000 US more than this Compass Sport)
Highs: CVT Transmission, Unusual Interior Features
Lows: Agility, Fit & Finish, Engine & Road Noise, Visibility, Rear Access.

It was Not a CR Quick Pick either.

For comparison the Jeep Liberty Sport (V6) scored @ 42 by Consumer Reports and it costs $4000 US more than the Compass.

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For me, CR is essentially toilet paper. Not calling anyone out though.

Their most recent farce was eating crow when it came out that their child seat testing for cars was massively flawed.

It is clear that many people have a hate on for the compass, because they:

a)don't like the styling
b)take offense to a jeep branded vehicle that can't drive up a wall

One example of this haterade is edmunds mentioning that the patriot's interior is less of a trainwreck than the compasses, when at least from my eyes, they are virtually identical if not so.

now with respect to the 2 main issues, I'm not constrained by those paradigms.

If they want to grow the Jeep brand then they will look to untraditional vehicles, just like Toyota did when it moved into larger cars, minivans. Styling is subjective, but I can tell you that on ours, we've received nothing but compliments.

The compass is the highest selling jeep vehicle in canada thus far in 2006. that says something. Pricing schedule may well be off in the US, but that being the case, the compass should sell 50-60k units, as will the patriot when it gets up to steam. Grabbing market share where Domestics are losing it at record pace.

In the view of a bargain 4x4 crossover, in my reality the compass does everything it should and quite well.

I said it before, that the reality of pricing in canada as a frame of reference, a compass limited 4x4 loaded is a SCREAMING bargain for our price of 27,200, when I look at rav4s and CRVs for between 35 and 40 thousand dollars.

I don't care what some reviewer who has a chip on his shoulder has to say. I drive vehicles, and pick the one I can live with, which fits my needs and budget the best.

The compass blew the doors off anything else for us.
 

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ACX said:
For me, CR is essentially toilet paper. Not calling anyone out though.

Their most recent farce was eating crow when it came out that their child seat testing for cars was massively flawed.

It is clear that many people have a hate on for the compass, because they:

a)don't like the styling
b)take offense to a jeep branded vehicle that can't drive up a wall

One example of this haterade is edmunds mentioning that the patriot's interior is less of a trainwreck than the compasses, when at least from my eyes, they are virtually identical if not so.

now with respect to the 2 main issues, I'm not constrained by those paradigms.

If they want to grow the Jeep brand then they will look to untraditional vehicles, just like Toyota did when it moved into larger cars, minivans. Styling is subjective, but I can tell you that on ours, we've received nothing but compliments.

The compass is the highest selling jeep vehicle in canada thus far in 2006. that says something. Pricing schedule may well be off in the US, but that being the case, the compass should sell 50-60k units, as will the patriot when it gets up to steam. Grabbing market share where Domestics are losing it at record pace.

In the view of a bargain 4x4 crossover, in my reality the compass does everything it should and quite well.

I said it before, that the reality of pricing in canada as a frame of reference, a compass limited 4x4 loaded is a SCREAMING bargain for our price of 27,200, when I look at rav4s and CRVs for between 35 and 40 thousand dollars.

I don't care what some reviewer who has a chip on his shoulder has to say. I drive vehicles, and pick the one I can live with, which fits my needs and budget the best.

The compass blew the doors off anything else for us.
Hey don't get me wrong I like the Compass and we'll probably be buying either a Caliber or a Compass later this year. (Once the 2008's are out as I never buy a car in it's first model year)

Calling CR toilet paper is a bit much. Yes they made 1 error on the Car Seats but they admitted it and put a retraction in their next issue. Plus they also mailed a special notice to all their subscribers saying that they made an error in their car seat testing.

CR is the most unbiased magazine out there as they Actually Buy all of the products that they test with their own money and they don't accept any advertising or endorsments. They also have Teams of people review the products (not just a single reviewer) to ensure a balanced reveiw.

As to Edmunds I agree that SOME of them seem to have it out for the Caliber, Compass & Patriot. Especially that Karl on Cars guy.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Caliber

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Compass

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Patriot

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/cate ... assLimited

Edmunds did however buy a Compass for their Long Term test fleet & there is some good info in the above link.
 

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aux jack .. OR mp3 compatability ..

Great review ACX ...

We have the full 9-speaker arrangement (including the sub and the 2 tailgate speakers) .. but only the single in-dash cd player ...

I love the aux jack, and the AC outlet (I can finally use my old mini-disc player with a broken battery cover) .. and don't really feel lacking without the changer, but I was pretty disappointed that the regular cd player can't handle mps discs ..

In my Exploder I had an $80 no name disc player I bought from CrappyTire and it played mp3 discs ... I can hook up an external disc man to handle it, but its a bit cheese-o ..

anyway ... it might be first-model-year hassles ... be interesting to see how many of these little flaws get ironed out ..
 

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Hey don't get me wrong I like the Compass and we'll probably be buying either a Caliber or a Compass later this year. (Once the 2008's are out as I never buy a car in it's first model year)

Calling CR toilet paper is a bit much. Yes they made 1 error on the Car Seats but they admitted it and put a retraction in their next issue. Plus they also mailed a special notice to all their subscribers saying that they made an error in their car seat testing.

CR is the most unbiased magazine out there as they Actually Buy all of the products that they test with their own money and they don't accept any advertising or endorsments. They also have Teams of people review the products (not just a single reviewer) to ensure a balanced reveiw.

As to Edmunds I agree that SOME of them seem to have it out for the Caliber, Compass & Patriot. Especially that Karl on Cars guy.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Caliber

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Compass

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Patriot

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/cate ... assLimited

Edmunds did however buy a Compass for their Long Term test fleet & there is some good info in the above link.
No in my view they basically are good for toilet paper.

Their analysis leaves much to be desired, especially since so many lemmings use it as a bible. I'm not caling you out as I said personally at all, but that is how I see it.

Here are some thoughts on the shortcomings of their "stats" so not my words although I agree with them 110%.

http://www.allpar.com/cr.html

http://www.truedelta.com/pieces/shortco ... sion_code=

And again for reviews, I take everything with a grain of salt. The camry for example won many accolades including motortrend car of the year, then summarily lost a head to head comparo against the saturn aura, was called cheap by car and driver, and lost 2 head to head challenges against the ford fusion with the car buying public. So you know what they say about opinions. :wink: :D
 

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On the topic of first year "bugs" to work out. We've got 11,000km on ours and these are the problems to date:
- Hatch not closing easily at -30 Celcius (works fine when warm out)
- Rear brakes noisy in reverse (dealer fixed but they're a bit noisy again)
- Odd paint chip (may not be factory defect, I don't know)

It's been a solid vehicle for being the first year out. We've had the Compass now for just over 7 months.
 

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Neely2005 said:
Hey don't get me wrong I like the Compass and we'll probably be buying either a Caliber or a Compass later this year. (Once the 2008's are out as I never buy a car in it's first model year)

Calling CR toilet paper is a bit much. Yes they made 1 error on the Car Seats but they admitted it and put a retraction in their next issue. Plus they also mailed a special notice to all their subscribers saying that they made an error in their car seat testing.

CR is the most unbiased magazine out there as they Actually Buy all of the products that they test with their own money and they don't accept any advertising or endorsments. They also have Teams of people review the products (not just a single reviewer) to ensure a balanced reveiw.

As to Edmunds I agree that SOME of them seem to have it out for the Caliber, Compass & Patriot. Especially that Karl on Cars guy.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Caliber

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Compass

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Vi ... el=Patriot

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/cate ... assLimited

Edmunds did however buy a Compass for their Long Term test fleet & there is some good info in the above link.
No in my view they basically are good for toilet paper.

Their analysis leaves much to be desired, especially since so many lemmings use it as a bible. I'm not caling you out as I said personally at all, but that is how I see it.

Here are some thoughts on the shortcomings of their "stats" so not my words although I agree with them 110%.

http://www.allpar.com/cr.html

http://www.truedelta.com/pieces/shortco ... sion_code=

And again for reviews, I take everything with a grain of salt. The camry for example won many accolades including motortrend car of the year, then summarily lost a head to head comparo against the saturn aura, was called cheap by car and driver, and lost 2 head to head challenges against the ford fusion with the car buying public. So you know what they say about opinions. :wink: :D
Keep in mind that Most of those "Car of the Year" awards are only for cars in their first year or the first year of a major redesign. So if the Camry wins it this year it can't win it next year as it's no longer elgible. Those awards are a little misleading in that regard.

BTW: A lot of the info in the links that you provided is either inacurate or out of date - especially in regards to the number of Survey Responses CR receives.

Again CR is # 1.
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Keep in mind that Most of those "Car of the Year" awards are only for cars in their first year or the first year of a major redesign. So if the Camry wins it this year it can't win it next year as it's no longer elgible. Those awards are a little misleading in that regard.

BTW: A lot of the info in the links that you provided is either inacurate or out of date - especially in regards to the number of Survey Responses CR receives.

Again CR is # 1.
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I discount them 100%, and always will. We won't change eachother's minds. I'm not sure how the links inaccurate or out of date - all of it especially. There are problems ingrained with their studies at fundamental levels, in my and many other's opinions.

We can agree to disagree and that is fine :D . To the matter at hand, I don't need to take some stuffed shirt in a magazine's opinion as law, or live my life with a fear factor as delivered by some magazine about a brand new vehicle in 2007 breaking down and leaving me high and dry.

I'll drive them all and pick the one that fits best.
 

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ACX said:
Neely2005 said:
Keep in mind that Most of those "Car of the Year" awards are only for cars in their first year or the first year of a major redesign. So if the Camry wins it this year it can't win it next year as it's no longer elgible. Those awards are a little misleading in that regard.

BTW: A lot of the info in the links that you provided is either inacurate or out of date - especially in regards to the number of Survey Responses CR receives.

Again CR is # 1.
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I discount them 100%, and always will. We won't change eachother's minds. I'm not sure how the links inaccurate or out of date - all of it especially. There are problems ingrained with their studies at fundamental levels, in my and many other's opinions.

We can agree to disagree and that is fine :D . To the matter at hand, I don't need to take some stuffed shirt in a magazine's opinion as law, or live my life with a fear factor as delivered by some magazine about a brand new vehicle in 2007 breaking down and leaving me high and dry.

I'll drive them all and pick the one that fits best.
Well they said that "Of over 4 million questionnaires sent this year, the magazine received responses regarding about 480,000 vehicles".

The actual number of Survey Responses that CR received for this years survey was Almost 1 Million - covering 1,302,575 vehicles.

That's a pretty big error right there! It pretty much challenges the validity of all of their information.

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Well said, ACX!! I could not agree more, and could not have said it better myself. After all, whose opinion is it that really counts anyway, but ours? As far as (un) popular opinion goes regarding the Compass, I am the one who bought it, I am the one who drives it. It is not theirs to like, it is mine, and I am more than satisfied. I was looking for a go-anywhere-I-go and do-anything-I-do vehicle, and I got it with this one, something capable and versatile, yet safe, stylish and fun. Buying a car on the basis of some review (anyone notice that all the reviews basically said the exact same thing, sometimes even verbatim?) would be like buying it because you like the commercial. Either way, not the best educated guess one could make, especially considering the money spent. One thing we have going for us, other than that we have a great car, is that we are more original than the opinions that seem to abound.
 

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Well they said that "Of over 4 million questionnaires sent this year, the magazine received responses regarding about 480,000 vehicles".

The actual number of Survey Responses that CR received for this years survey was Almost 1 Million - covering 1,302,575 vehicles.

That's a pretty big error right there! It pretty much challenges the validity of all of their information.

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Oh I see, all the information is suspect..

Do they actually, Specifically define what a "serious problem" is these days?

For example, most agree that import drivers are more forgiving of their own vehicles, so say, an acura TL owner who had his transmission replaced (like I did in mine) may not consider thata serious problem, but someone who had a broken cup holder in a VW may consider it a serious problem.

Do they send the survey out more frequency, or are people asked to report on the last year, which opens up the door for error?

Are their ratings not driven off the average vehicle, making absolute comparisons difficult if not impossible?

Do they report standard deviations so we can see howmuch worse the second place car is to the first one, or could it be chance, or could the difference be minutia?

Discount it all you want and I'll do the same from the other side.. CR as far reminds me of a cult. You can't convince believers that they could do anything wrong, and you can't convince the rest that they are on the level. They play very well to their own target audience.

by your logic as well, the flaws in their car seat reporting would make the rest of their findings suspect.

 

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Neely2005 said:
Well they said that "Of over 4 million questionnaires sent this year, the magazine received responses regarding about 480,000 vehicles".

The actual number of Survey Responses that CR received for this years survey was Almost 1 Million - covering 1,302,575 vehicles.

That's a pretty big error right there! It pretty much challenges the validity of all of their information.

:!:
Oh I see, all the information is suspect..

Do they actually, Specifically define what a "serious problem" is these days?

For example, most agree that import drivers are more forgiving of their own vehicles, so say, an acura TL owner who had his transmission replaced (like I did in mine) may not consider thata serious problem, but someone who had a broken cup holder in a VW may consider it a serious problem.

Do they send the survey out more frequency, or are people asked to report on the last year, which opens up the door for error?

Are their ratings not driven off the average vehicle, making absolute comparisons difficult if not impossible?

Do they report standard deviations so we can see howmuch worse the second place car is to the first one, or could it be chance, or could the difference be minutia?

Discount it all you want and I'll do the same from the other side.. CR as far reminds me of a cult. You can't convince believers that they could do anything wrong, and you can't convince the rest that they are on the level. They play very well to their own target audience.

by your logic as well, the flaws in their car seat reporting would make the rest of their findings suspect.
"Oh I see, all the information is suspect.."

I never said that. But if they're off by almost a Million in the simplest information to collect then I'd say it does make their analysis very suspect.

"Do they actually, Specifically define what a "serious problem" is these days?"

No the ask if you've had ANY problems as per the industry standard when reporting quality issues.

"Do they send the survey out more frequency, or are people asked to report on the last year, which opens up the door for error?"

They send the Survey out to All of their subscribers Every year. As long as you own the car you are asked to comment on it. For example I have a 2002 model so I would have filled out a survey for 5 years now - on the same car. This allows CR to see how the quality holds up over time.

"Are their ratings not driven off the average vehicle, making absolute comparisons difficult if not impossible?"

No they have 2 seperate categories. They have a CR Team review the car and give it a score. They then use the surveys to determine reliability. For example the Compass scored a 51 but there is no Reliability information as it is too new.

"Do they report standard deviations so we can see howmuch worse the second place car is to the first one, or could it be chance, or could the difference be minutia?"

They provide scores for all the cars in the class. For instance the Compass was scored a 51 out of 100. But the best car in the category (Small SUV's) received a 83. So effectivley this means the Compass scored a 51 out of 83. (The RAV4 V6 was the car that scored 83 but CR points out that the RAV4 V6 costs $9000 US more than the Compass)

"Discount it all you want and I'll do the same from the other side.. CR as far reminds me of a cult. You can't convince believers that they could do anything wrong, and you can't convince the rest that they are on the level. They play very well to their own target audience."

You obviously lack any objectivity as first you called CR toilet paper and now you're calling it a cult. It's funny though how their Reliability rankings are almost a mirror image of J.D. Powers. But I guess J.D. Power must be a cult too?
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"by your logic as well, the flaws in their car seat reporting would make the rest of their findings suspect."

No not at all as CR has admited their error publicly. They also printed a retraction in the next issue & on top of that they mailed out 2 seperate notices informing all their subscribers of the error. They removed the information from their website and placed a notice about the error there too. I'm not sure how much more you would like them to do?

In the links that you provided they are still showing invalid, innacurate or out of date information - and something tells me they won't be correcting it with the real information.

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"Oh I see, all the information is suspect.."

I never said that. But if they're off by almost a Million in the simplest information to collect then I'd say it does make their analysis very suspect.

"Do they actually, Specifically define what a "serious problem" is these days?"

No the ask if you've had ANY problems as per the industry standard when reporting quality issues.

"Do they send the survey out more frequency, or are people asked to report on the last year, which opens up the door for error?"

They send the Survey out to All of their subscribers Every year. As long as you own the car you are asked to comment on it. For example I have a 2002 model so I would have filled out a survey for 5 years now - on the same car. This allows CR to see how the quality holds up over time.

"Are their ratings not driven off the average vehicle, making absolute comparisons difficult if not impossible?"

No they have 2 seperate categories. They have a CR Team review the car and give it a score. They then use the surveys to determine reliability. For example the Compass scored a 51 but there is no Reliability information as it is too new.

"Do they report standard deviations so we can see howmuch worse the second place car is to the first one, or could it be chance, or could the difference be minutia?"

They provide scores for all the cars in the class. For instance the Compass was scored a 51 out of 100. But the best car in the category (Small SUV's) received a 83. So effectivley this means the Compass scored a 51 out of 83. (The RAV4 V6 was the car that scored 83 but CR points out that the RAV4 V6 costs $9000 US more than the Compass)

"Discount it all you want and I'll do the same from the other side.. CR as far reminds me of a cult. You can't convince believers that they could do anything wrong, and you can't convince the rest that they are on the level. They play very well to their own target audience."

You obviously lack any objectivity as first you called CR toilet paper and now you're calling it a cult. It's funny though how their Reliability rankings are almost a mirror image of J.D. Powers. But I guess J.D. Power must be a cult too?
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"by your logic as well, the flaws in their car seat reporting would make the rest of their findings suspect."

No not at all as CR has admited their error publicly. They also printed a retraction in the next issue & on top of that they mailed out 2 seperate notices informing all their subscribers of the error. They removed the information from their website and placed a notice about the error there too. I'm not sure how much more you would like them to do?

In the links that you provided they are still showing invalid, innacurate or out of date information - and something tells me they won't be correcting it with the real information.

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I forgot to mention that one of the questions that CR asks on their surveys is "Would You Buy Your Car Again?"
They report on this in their Owner Satisfaction info & really is there a better question to ask?
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