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I have looked around and priced various solution based on a quality snow tire. One preferred choice was using General Ultimax Artic P215-60R/16 on Steele winter rims. I price another and was the same price range and more than my choice. I am using the OEM Rims and going with NOKIAN WRG2 P215-60R/17 which is the same size as spec'd out.

There reason is in the end fairly simple give the cost is slightly less then a separate set of wheels.

- WRG2 tires are all weather use rated and certified "snowflake" winter tire
- no need to change twice a year
- superior traction all year round including braking
- quieter riding tire
- TPMS sensors remain active being in the OEM rims so no dash alert to deal with
- deep groves and sipes for optimum rainy weather handling
- I get the benefit of this great tire all year round and don't have to worry about surprising weather condition.

All the tire specific are at www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11899&group=1.01&name=Nokian+WRG2

I made my choice and will now ride it. I have WR's on a Grand Cherokee and my sons Explorer and no regrets and traction is superb all year round.
 

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Good luck..........but I'm a firm believer in specific winter shoes .......smooth sailing !!!

You do get some snow in Markham??
 

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Good luck..........but I'm a firm believer in specific winter shoes .......smooth sailing !!!

You do get some snow in Markham??
Yes, last year was a lean winter but you have more traction when the snow is deeper. Last year it was not that much and you are barely above the pavement and of course is more of a ice/snow/ maybe a bit of slush mix but not always. Its not the depth of snow some tires are totally useless in cold and snow. Uniroyal tiger paw for one. From what I here the Firestones suck and not waiting to get the crap scared out of us so Nokian here we come.

PS: You check out there website they have some of the best tire technology for the snow on the planet.
 

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Very cool, sounds like those tires address all of the complaints some folks have about winter tires, especially the TPMS. Be sure to post back and fill us in on how you like them, perhaps others here might conisder those as well.

- Cherokee
 

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Looks like a good choice! I think the days of having to change your tires over twice a year is coming to a end. More and more manufactures are offering winter rated tires that perform well in summer. I did buy winter tires for my Compass this year "Goodyear Nordic" from Canadian Tire but was mostly due to the price of them.
 

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Looks like a good choice! I think the days of having to change your tires over twice a year is coming to a end. More and more manufactures are offering winter rated tires that perform well in summer. I did buy winter tires for my Compass this year "Goodyear Nordic" from Canadian Tire but was mostly due to the price of them.
I found that if I bought steel rims for the winter tires on the road it was the same as me getting these Nordics or Utimax Artics ($116 ea + $50 rim) came out to more than $800 close to the price of the Nokians. Remounting back and forth on OEM rims don't make sense with the mount & balancing charges it pays for the rims in a year.
 

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i was gonna get the nokians for my compass but the problem was when i looked at reviews. almost all people complained of only 20-30 000km life which is a far cry from what they are rated for
 

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If you are referring to the snow tire only that may be likely. The winter only snow tires will all wear much faster when they are on dry or dryer roads. The All Weather WR series are designed for all year round use. I have the NON G2 on two other 4x4 and no problem with wear.

Note: Harder rubbers may give you longer life in the sense of wear down. But traction comes at a price. Traction give you better braking and get up and go. I am sure if you visit you local wreckers you'll find many vehicles with tires rated at <100km or mile life and more but where did those tires get them. Looking pretty belly up in the bone yard as a wreck because of not stopping, lost control, no traction and in the ditch or just plan crash bang and written off.

the way I look at it if it save me an accident I am 500$ ahead (deductible) saved, no insurance increase and no stress of the recovery from an accident. Also the confidence I am not driving on flat skis for tires. Very few all season have the aggressive thread pattern needed to lock in on snow and non have the rubber which to keep traction below 5C.

If I have to replace tires after three or four years its no big deal. I don't want to hit something of crash because I cheapened out and did not invest in good winter tires. Over 50% is covered by the deductible savings and the insurance Co. give a 5% discount if you have 4 snows on as well. Traction is traction and wear and tear is going to be far less on the All Weather tire than their snow tire or any other snow which you have to remove when the weather starts to warm up.
 

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It was the wrg2 nokians I was gonna buy. If you only focus on the good aspect of not having to do a change over when the snow flies, then those tires sound great. But the truth is they are a silica based tire that will wear down quicker than normal in the summer months. In the long run buying proper winter tires and the steel rims will out last the wrg2. Not only did I read poor reviews but 2 of my friends tried them and they both had the same experience. Great in the snow and on the ice but half the life of regular all season tires.
 

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It was the wrg2 nokians I was gonna buy. If you only focus on the good aspect of not having to do a change over when the snow flies, then those tires sound great. But the truth is they are a silica based tire that will wear down quicker than normal in the summer months. In the long run buying proper winter tires and the steel rims will out last the wrg2. Not only did I read poor reviews but 2 of my friends tried them and they both had the same experience. Great in the snow and on the ice but half the life of regular all season tires.
I have the same rubber in the WR All Weather Plus (NON G2) on the Grand Cherokee and ford explorer and neither has worn even close to the bars. I guess it depends on how much driving you do a year etc. Anyway I'll see how they work out.
 

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firestone winterforce! 3rd season on same set, they are pretty good im runnin 235 55 17 and i love it!
 

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firestone winterforce! 3rd season on same set, they are pretty good im runnin 235 55 17 and i love it!
I don't buy Firestone. Last set was 40 years ago and nearly killed me when the ply separated and the cap came off Firestone 500's I spun out at 70MPH and did a 360 turn on the highway, slit my gas tank wide open and the gas was pouring out. I could have been BBQ'd I'll be glad to get them off the Compass especially that its winter here.

My Nokians are in at the tire dealer and arranged the install for today. Firestone has had several well publicized recalls, Ford Explorer was another that comes to mind.

I have plenty of choices and they're not on my list of choices whatsoever. Enjoy though.
 

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Well after driving around a few days on these Nokians the traction driving is great. I can't get it to break traction accelerating. Tried it on my street which is snow covered the temp it around -12 C so what looks bit like slush is anything but as some yahoos find out when they opt for body work after the impact. Braking traction is also pretty good and I get a feel of the pedals ABS characteristic which is not a hole lot different for others I've driven.

Normal drive on the very cold snow cover surface in a parking lot and vacant street shows great traction all around. I don't get the 4wd kicking it from what I can see when I push the pedal more than normal it just pulls away. I am very pleased with its winter manners thus far. As for deep snow I'll have to wait and see how that goes but I see no problem going through a foot of power with its stock clearance.
 

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Well finally got enough snow and put it to the test. A foot and more snow heavy powder and a day or two later after another 4-6 inches it also pulled its way threw the snow. It was up to the bottom of the door initially with the compressed snow under the tires back and forth a few times. Even the snow drift from the plow at the end of the lane, no problem. I had 4WD engaged in advance and it walked through with ease.
 

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A walk in the park baby ..............with the right shoe....... :)
 

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I have looked around and priced various solution based on a quality snow tire. One preferred choice was using General Ultimax Artic P215-60R/16 on Steele winter rims. I price another and was the same price range and more than my choice. I am using the OEM Rims and going with NOKIAN WRG2 P215-60R/17 which is the same size as spec'd out.

There reason is in the end fairly simple give the cost is slightly less then a separate set of wheels.

- WRG2 tires are all weather use rated and certified "snowflake" winter tire
- no need to change twice a year
- superior traction all year round including braking
- quieter riding tire
- TPMS sensors remain active being in the OEM rims so no dash alert to deal with
- deep groves and sipes for optimum rainy weather handling
- I get the benefit of this great tire all year round and don't have to worry about surprising weather condition.

All the tire specific are at Nokian WRG2

I made my choice and will now ride it. I have WR's on a Grand Cherokee and my sons Explorer and no regrets and traction is superb all year round.
After 3 years would you still recommend these? I am still deciding if I should get these or actual Winter Tires.
 

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After 3 years would you still recommend these? I am still deciding if I should get these or actual Winter Tires.
They developed CUPPING on the tires. The tire shop insisted there was a suspension problem and/or alignment. Its all new since putting them on though as I have had the struts replaced and I replace on inner and out tie rod end on the passenger side. It was very minor wear as I caught it very early and barely detectible. Alignment was the only thing I did not have rechecked.

They are very very noisy in this state now. As for traction in snow etc A1 never had a slip or issue. The noise and uneven wear is the problem. The company does not have a Canadian division and support is not good at all. Given the cost of these tires I would have expected more. I have used 1st gen version which don't have the variable thread patterns on true SUV's and still work very well. I am not sold on this as a viable solution now. Just trying to wear them out and go to something with the same thread across the carcass. The cupping was always on the inner side of the tires.

Given the above the answer is NO.
 

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They developed CUPPING on the tires. The tire shop insisted there was a suspension problem and/or alignment. Its all new since putting them on though as I have had the struts replaced and I replace on inner and out tie rod end on the passenger side. It was very minor wear as I caught it very early and barely detectible. Alignment was the only thing I did not have rechecked.

They are very very noisy in this state now. As for traction in snow etc A1 never had a slip or issue. The noise and uneven wear is the problem. The company does not have a Canadian division and support is not good at all. Given the cost of these tires I would have expected more. I have used 1st gen version which don't have the variable thread patterns on true SUV's and still work very well. I am not sold on this as a viable solution now. Just trying to wear them out and go to something with the same thread across the carcass. The cupping was always on the inner side of the tires.


Given the above the answer is NO.

Oh no !!! Back to the drawing board ....:sadwavey:

I hate tire researching .
 
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